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Re: Victor Max Wedge - T&D vs Harland Sharp Rocker Arms
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Are you looking at the single shaft(conventional mopar) or the multi shaft... its hard to beat T&D rockers... I dont know what offset you need to fit your heads... but all I run now days is T&D rockers 
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Re: Victor Max Wedge - T&D vs Harland Sharp Rocker Arms
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04/11/13 05:46 PM
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I had lots of problems with Hughes on victors was running 275 seat and 625 open pressure. Ended up getting them bushed and still having failrues. Went to Harland Sharps and never looked back. This is a turbo application so its a bit harder on rockers. Made 1500RWHP on victors so far, but they are pretty much at their limit.
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Re: Victor Max Wedge - T&D vs Harland Sharp Rocker Arms
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04/11/13 08:21 PM
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I have had these Hughes rockers on my EZ heads sinve 2011 with good results. But these are not the offset rockers. My brother has run Hughes for years also with no trouble but his also are not the offset ones. Just curious what the offset Harland Sharp and T & D's go for as compared to Hughes ? But you have to use what works for you. Ron 
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Re: Victor Max Wedge - T&D vs Harland Sharp Rocker Arms
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04/12/13 10:06 AM
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Are you looking at the single shaft(conventional mopar)
or the multi shaft... its hard to beat T&D rockers...
I dont know what offset you need to fit your heads...
but all I run now days is T&D rockers
Single shaft. Thanks everyone for the replies... 
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Re: Victor Max Wedge - T&D vs Harland Sharp Rocker Arms
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04/12/13 10:26 AM
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I had lots of problems with Hughes on victors was running 275 seat and 625 open pressure. Ended up getting them bushed and still having failrues.
I have run Hughes' standard-offset rocker successfully and have their offset ones to use w/ my new Victor heads. Please define "lots of problems", as that's too general a statement to help identify possible source(s) of the issues you've experienced.
If the Hughes setup doesn't cut it for me, I'll go T&D since I'm not a big fan of Harland Sharp.
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Re: Victor Max Wedge - T&D vs Harland Sharp Rocker Arms
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04/12/13 12:29 PM
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Bad galling on the shaft, the rockers would loosen up between lashes constantly. So after speaking to hughes they referred me to a place that would bush my rocker arms which should have cured the problem but only was a bandaid fix that lasted a short period. The money I spent on the Hughes I should have got off my wallet and bought the Harland sharps right off as they have been trouble free since I put them on.
If your running any hyd or a small solid cam i'm sure you wouldn't run into the problems. Being boosted and probably making the most power on a set of victor heads in the world (good bet?) the rockers get taxed pretty hard. Tho predator heads are my next purchase.
I have a nice used set of Hughes rockers for cheap if you'd like..
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Re: Victor Max Wedge - T&D vs Harland Sharp Rocker Arms
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04/13/13 01:25 PM
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Bad galling on the shaft, the rockers would loosen up between lashes constantly. So after speaking to hughes they referred me to a place that would bush my rocker arms which should have cured the problem but only was a bandaid fix that lasted a short period. The money I spent on the Hughes I should have got off my wallet and bought the Harland sharps right off as they have been trouble free since I put them on.
If your running any hyd or a small solid cam i'm sure you wouldn't run into the problems. Being boosted and probably making the most power on a set of victor heads in the world (good bet?) the rockers get taxed pretty hard. Tho predator heads are my next purchase.
I have a nice used set of Hughes rockers for cheap if you'd like..
Do you recall how the scrub distance/pattern looked with the Harland Sharps? Lash caps? Also caught your license passes on Youtube. You're puttin the power down 
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Re: Victor Max Wedge - T&D vs Harland Sharp Rocker Arms
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04/14/13 10:48 AM
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BradH
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Do you recall how the scrub distance/pattern looked with the Harland Sharps? Lash caps?
I'd like to know, too. However, what seems typical of HS rockers on Edelbrock big-block heads is that their scrub pattern is heavily biased to the exhaust side of the valve tip. Even the Hughes stuff that has a shorter fulcrum-to-roller c/l distance than the HS still has a bit of an exhaust-side bias, but no where near as extreme.
I don't think that T&D had got it "nuts on", either, since their fulcrum-to-roller c/l spec for rockers used on Victor heads is 1.52, which is pretty close to what the Hughes are.
The rockers which IIRC actually showed the best scrub pattern on Edelbrock big-block heads were the Crane golds, which (I'd have to check my notes... somewhere) are about 1.48, but Crane never produced anything w/ the correct intake pushrod offset for the Victors. Also, Crane's have other issues IMO that make them less than ideal for this type of application. But perhaps that's just me... 
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Re: Victor Max Wedge - T&D vs Harland Sharp Rocker Arms
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04/14/13 11:03 AM
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Brad...Why don't you like the H.S.rockers?
I've posted my issues w/ them in the past and all that did was bring out the HS-lovers to bash me for not liking them. No point in going through that all over again. You'll just have to respect that I have an opinion that is shared by some others via PMs who also choose not to get involved in a  over the subject.
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And put that damn thing together!! 
I'm trying... but all the progress I made in the fall came to a grinding halt around the Holidays and I've been unable to get back into thing seriously since then. 
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Re: Victor Max Wedge - T&D vs Harland Sharp Rocker Arms
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04/14/13 05:14 PM
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Brad I did also have problems with the hughes adjusters and went to the smith adjuster screws which seem to be a lot higher quality metal. The scrub pattern on the HS rockers did sweep towards the exhaust side, I ran lash caps with both sets of rockers. Maybe the newer Hughes rockers are better but I do think a big solid roller is a bit taxing for the hughes and to get something like a T&D or HS for the bigger spring pressures. The only reason I bought HS rockers was from the recommendation of other victor head owners and seem to work very well. The T&D are a good rocker but haven't had the chance to try a set. The last race of the year finally got it to hook out of the hole. Race weight is 3500~. Pass w/HS rockers
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