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Re: E-Body leg room, or lack of... [Re: 318 Stroker] #1416204
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I am 6"3 230lbs have re drilled the seat and moved the tracks forward about 1.25 inch so you still use the stock holes in the floor. I can completely stretch out now very nice to drive not cramped up any more I have done this to all my ebodies my wife is 5"2 seat still goes far enough forward for her,only thing is you have to remove or mod the plastic piece on the l/s seat belt. I drive my cars all the time so comfort is a big factor. You may want to shim the rear studs for the most comfortable spot .It takes me about 1-2 hours to do. all you need is some 5/16 bolts & nuts 5/16 drill bit & washers.

Re: E-Body leg room, or lack of... [Re: 71cudaddict] #1416205
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I'm 6'5" 250ish and I never really had a problem in them. Although I have driven stealths and other smaller cars and got used to it. Although I am using after market buckets in my 70, so I'll move them back for more leg room.


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Re: E-Body leg room, or lack of... [Re: Silver70] #1416206
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6'4" here, my legs are a 34" inseam though, so I'm mostly torso.

I never noticed a lack of leg room in mine. I was glad that I fit so well in the E-body. I was afraid sitting in it would be like sitting in a late model corvette, viper or mustang...I do NOT fit in any of those cars as they were delivered from the factory!


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Re: E-Body leg room, or lack of... [Re: 318 Stroker] #1416207
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Wondering how exactly the 6 way helps? All it does is raise and lower the front and back of the seat correct? I don't see where either would help unless it drops the seat down in the front further, but I don't think that is possible.




I put a 6-way in my 73 Challenger, and it adds a lot of legroom. I'm 5'10 with short legs and with the standard seat tracks, I had my seat all the way back. With the 6-way addition, I have the seat about halfway forward. Also, by adjusting the front of the seat up, and the back down, you will gain headroom. I also have a Tuff wheel.

I've had some of my large size Mopar friends sit on the 6-way, and they are amazed at the additional head and leg room.

Find someone with a 6-way and ask to try it. You will be pleasantly surprised...




I am going to have to look for one. I have looked a little bit and they seem really spendy!!!

Also I noticed mension on one place that the braces under the floor might be diffrent for the 6 way, I can't imagine they used a different floor for them.




Yes they are spendy...

They are being re-popped. Some of the originals get worn, like mine is. Sometimes when I'm driving, it likes to "self-adjust" backwards a notch, on its own... The new re-pop probably wouldn't do that.

As for the underfloor braces, the regular seat tracks don't have any. Just the 6-way has the braces...




Is their any problem with not using the under floor brace? The car is done and painted on the underside so I am not about to change it. I am guessing they were spot welded to the under side of the floor.




Could be a big problem if you don't use them. The 6-way is heavy, and you could rip thru the floor with the stud mounts on the 6-way. The braces are re-popped. Either B,E A or RestoRick has them, I forget which.

They do not weld to the floor. Just paint them to match the underside, hold them in place as you drop the 6-way studs through, put the washers and nuts on, tighten them, and enjoy...

Disclaimer: Maybe they were welded from the factory, But I didn't weld mine. I just installed them as I described.




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Re: E-Body leg room, or lack of... [Re: HEMIDOG 70] #1416208
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Will the 6way all the way back set you lower than standard tracks? I have unlimited head room in the vert but I already look at the top of the windshield frame and would like to set lower and further back than the standard tracks let me.




It will sit you lower if you adjust the rear of the seat downward, which also gives you a bit of recline with the same maneuver.

Re: E-Body leg room, or lack of... [Re: 71cudaddict] #1416209
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I think I will start with trying to move the stock seat brackets to let the seat go back further, that is the cheapest and easiest route to go. From their I will try a Tuff Wheel, hate to give up the original wheel. And if all else fails I might try the 6 way. I will let you know how it turns out, might be a couple of weeks though.


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Re: E-Body leg room, or lack of... [Re: Mopar_Mudder] #1416210
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When I recently pulled my seats out of the Challenger, I found these bolted to the bottom of the driver's seat tracks. This was the previous owner's solution to relocating it further back. They measure 2-7/8". I'm gonna try the seat without them, but will reuse them if I find that I'm too far forward. I have a Tuff wheel going in the car, and I am 5'-11", 190 lbs.

Re: E-Body leg room, or lack of... [Re: filmsurgeon] #1416211
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Here are some photos of how the brackets mount (seat tracks are currently disassembled for cleaning/painting/lubing). These brackets relocate the seat almost 3 full inches back. All hardware should be Grade-5 or better.

The seat tracks in this photo are upside down to show how the brackets are attached. The rear brackets are attached to the seat tracks, the front brackets are attached to the seat frame; all using the same mounting holes for the tracks to the seat frame.


The next two photos show the rear of the tracks in position on the seat frame. The same track-to-frame bolt (5/16-18x3/4" bolt not shown) is used to attach the bracket to the seat frame.



The next two photos show the front of the tracks in position on the seat frame. Use 5/16-18x3/4" bolts with nuts/lock washers to attach the seat track to the front bracket (mounting hardware not shown).


Re: E-Body leg room, or lack of... [Re: filmsurgeon] #1416212
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the primary problem that I have with our chally is the fact that sliding my leg under the steering wheel is usually the issue. I wish there was a way to either raise the steering column or lower the seat to the floor.

Re: E-Body leg room, or lack of... [Re: ] #1416213
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I'm 6'4" 215# and have owned Challengers for over 3 decades and also one cuda. My first Challenger, a '70 T/A with a 4 speed, was uncomfortable for me as my left thigh always hit the steering wheel while using the clutch. I never felt like headroom was a problem and other than my left leg and the steering wheel, I never felt like legroom was bad.
My '71 cuda had an automatic and I did feel it was a little lacking in legroom. I questioned if the shorter wheelbase took away a couple inches of front legroom?
My '70 Challenger convertible has an automatic and has a 6 way seat. It's always been a very comfortable ride for me, top down or up (though I prefer down!)
A couple years back I bought a '71 Challenger 4 speed with leather seats. Bought at an auction with no chance to test drive before buying. After I won the bidding, I'm thinking, WTH did I do that for, this damn car will be as uncomfortable as the T/A to drive! But I was pleasantly surprised to find it is pretty comfortable. The front seats in the '71 seem to sit lower than the '70's? Whatever the case, I have no complaints.
I'd be interested in trying out a 4 speed cuda, I suspect that combo might not work for me at all.

Re: E-Body leg room, or lack of... [Re: ] #1416214
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the primary problem that I have with our chally is the fact that sliding my leg under the steering wheel is usually the issue. I wish there was a way to either raise the steering column or lower the seat to the floor.




That's the only problem I ever had.

As far as the relocation brackets above, my grandfather did the same in a 70s horizon he had and it definitely made it more comfortable to drive.

Re: E-Body leg room, or lack of... [Re: Silver70] #1416215
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For me (6' tall) the only issue was ever the standard steering wheel - I agree it is too low and def too close to the driver. My solution 20 years ago was a Grant wheel - no crush can so much closer to the dash, and a smaller wheel to boot. Completely fixed the comfort problem. Of course if you want to keep the standard wheel this does not help

Re: E-Body leg room, or lack of... [Re: Gavin] #1416216
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Hey Film, those look great. What is the thickness of the metal? I wonder can you mount them on the "inside" of the track as well so you don't raise the height of the seat by the thickness of the metal?

I am 6'3 as well, with a good size foot. I just switched out the m/c to an aluminum unit (manual brake car) and I noticed that the brake pedal is closer to the driver then the gas pedal. I made an aluminum spacer (3/8 or 1/2", I can't remember off hand) to move the brake pedal away from the driver. It put it more in line with the gas pedal. The car is apart so I don't know yet if the pedal will bottom out to the floor under heavy braking. Just sitting in the seat and pushing the pedal hard it does not hit the floor (though rug isn't in yet either).

Re: E-Body leg room, or lack of... [Re: roadrunninMark] #1416217
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Does a bench seat cuda with automatic provide less room than a bucket automatic car?

Re: E-Body leg room, or lack of... [Re: roadrunninMark] #1416218
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Hey Film, those look great. What is the thickness of the metal? I wonder can you mount them on the "inside" of the track as well so you don't raise the height of the seat by the thickness of the metal?

I am 6'3 as well, with a good size foot. I just switched out the m/c to an aluminum unit (manual brake car) and I noticed that the brake pedal is closer to the driver then the gas pedal. I made an aluminum spacer (3/8 or 1/2", I can't remember off hand) to move the brake pedal away from the driver. It put it more in line with the gas pedal. The car is apart so I don't know yet if the pedal will bottom out to the floor under heavy braking. Just sitting in the seat and pushing the pedal hard it does not hit the floor (though rug isn't in yet either).




The brackets are 3/16" thick. They cannot be used on the inside of the track; primarily due to the fact that the holes in the brackets are centered (width-wise), and the holes in the tracks are offset (not centered width-wise).

Re: E-Body leg room, or lack of... [Re: HEMIDOG 70] #1416219
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These aren't mine. A member of a Pontiac Forum I frequent uses these. May be worth a look.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1970-1981-Firebi...615&vxp=mtr

Re: E-Body leg room, or lack of... [Re: MoreParts] #1416220
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These aren't mine. A member of a Pontiac Forum I frequent uses these. May be worth a look.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1970-1981-Firebi...615&vxp=mtr




I saw these for sale on YO website.

Re: E-Body leg room, or lack of... [Re: Gavin] #1416221
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For me (6' tall) the only issue was ever the standard steering wheel - I agree it is too low and def too close to the driver. My solution 20 years ago was a Grant wheel - no crush can so much closer to the dash, and a smaller wheel to boot. Completely fixed the comfort problem. Of course if you want to keep the standard wheel this does not help



6'2 and 250 lbs and no the car does'nt lean to one side when I'm in there... Seriously though. I added the aftermarket wheel for comfort also...Set the 6-way up for more room and even added a few shims on the passenger side to lean it back a touch for the riders...Big difference with little effort...

Re: E-Body leg room, or lack of... [Re: screamindriver] #1416222
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So many of you E-body owners are 6+ feet tall and 200+ Lbs. The guy that built my engine, is a BIG guy, and he said he can't stand the "tightness" he experiences in the E-Bodies. He's a B-Body man.

Re: E-Body leg room, or lack of... [Re: Mopar_Mudder] #1416223
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As mentioned by a few above.

I am 6'5", I have had two e-bodies, the b's aren't much better as the space between your knees and the dash is pretty tight. I put spacers with the front two mounting studs and none under the back. Made a big difference.


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