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Re: Interest in M code exhaust manifold A body??
[Re: viperakron]
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01/25/14 01:06 AM
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Looks like the casting costs for this project turned out to be exorbitant. Never came to be. There are only so many of these cars left, so market is limited. Unlike Max Wedge or Hemi cars no one wants to put M code manifolds on a clone, they are worthless for performance.
I'd like to have a drivers side to go with my car when I sell. Maybe one of the speculators here will give one up? PM me. Until then, my free breathing C Body manifold serves me well.
Would that C-Body exhaust manifold happen to be this one 2883409 ?
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Re: Interest in M code exhaust manifold A body??
[Re: A12]
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01/25/14 01:09 AM
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Re: Interest in M code exhaust manifold A body??
[Re: viperakron]
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01/25/14 01:17 AM
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Yep looks like that one.
Then it sure does look like it flows better than the M-code stocker 
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Re: Interest in M code exhaust manifold A body??
[Re: JohnRR]
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01/25/14 11:58 AM
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I personally believe they should have no casting dates but should be made exactly to spec minus the dates. 
 , there should also be some identifier that is not easy undone so that mysteriously unfound pairs start showing up on ebay and such ...
RE: The Mopar logo on the originals: I imagine the repops would not be allowed to have them.
But, that's all moot now, isn't it.............
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Re: Interest in M code exhaust manifold A body??
[Re: JohnRR]
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01/25/14 01:02 PM
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if they are made correct with all the stampings. they will sell for 1200.00
I sold a set for 4200 and I had at least 6 people in line to buy them. So at 1200.00 I would say you will sell 20 to 30 set at least. I had an M code Cuda. So being around other M code owners, they will sell.
he is not making a pair , he is making the left only . At 1200 a PAIR I'd put up a 1200 deposit ...
John,if done how long do you think they would stay at $1200 ? I thing the Max Wedge started around $750,check the price now !! 
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Re: Interest in M code exhaust manifold A body??
[Re: 62maxwgn]
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01/25/14 01:37 PM
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I don't have an M code anything (except my Superbee  ) but if I did I'd be all over this like a starving man on a loaf of bread. Deposits on parts not made are investments. And like any investment there is a risk. Most of the time you win, some of the time you lose. If I needed the manifold and it required a $600 deposit with another $600 at delivery, all I'd say is "who do I make the check out to?". IMHO it's worth the gamble. As to the look of the repop, make it look as exact as possible. On the back, non-visible, side of the manifold cast some identifier that shows it as a repop. That way on the car it looks original, in your hands you can tell it isn't. None of this is difficult, just costly.
"We live in a time when intelligent people are being silenced so that stupid people won't be offended".
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Re: Interest in M code exhaust manifold A body??
[Re: viperakron]
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01/25/14 10:40 PM
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If the cost went from 1200 per manifold to 6500 would you be all over it? Casting went from 6500 to 25000 due to intricacy of the lower section on these pinched manifolds. Went from a simple sand cast to a complicated aluminum fill. Sand cast would of cracked under any stress. So the math doesn't make it practical.
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I don't have an M code anything (except my Superbee ) but if I did I'd be all over this like a starving man on a loaf of bread. Deposits on parts not made are investments. And like any investment there is a risk. Most of the time you win, some of the time you lose. If I needed the manifold and it required a $600 deposit with another $600 at delivery, all I'd say is "who do I make the check out to?". IMHO it's worth the gamble. As to the look of the repop, make it look as exact as possible. On the back, non-visible, side of the manifold cast some identifier that shows it as a repop. That way on the car it looks original, in your hands you can tell it isn't. None of this is difficult, just costly.
Not to appear pissy here, but I'll repeat myself. At $1200 for the manifold:
1) I'd want one
2) I'd be willing to take a chance on it coming together
I think what you are trying to ask is "If you put your $600 down and then found out the finished product was going to be $6500, would you stay in the game and be willing to pay another $5900?" Answer: Probably not.
I'll ask your next question for you, "Would you try to get your $600 deposit back?". Of course I would try. If however it had been spent to discover the new price was now $6500, well, like I said before, sometimes investments pay off, sometimes they don't. You just have to put on your big boy pants and move on.
"We live in a time when intelligent people are being silenced so that stupid people won't be offended".
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Re: Interest in M code exhaust manifold A body??
[Re: 6PakBee]
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01/27/14 04:40 AM
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I've got a background in design and contract manufacturing - over 20 yrs. I've also got a pretty good handle on this market, and I think that selling 20 - 25 sets is doable as a break-even proposition, which is what I am willing to do.
Cost is a secondary concern (within reason), and it doesn't matter what they flow. The only thing that matters is that they are as identical to the original pieces as conceivably possible, numbers and all. I've spoken with the Chrysler's licensing subcontractor on several occasions, and let's just say I'm not too worried about that detail, not on a handful of manifolds.
What I do not know is:
A) Where to get a pair to copy
B) Where to turn for quality cast iron pieces domestically. This is a disappearing industry stateside, and the number of places willing to take on a charity case like this is miniscule. I do have extensive Asian connections due to my other line of work, but I refuse to pursue that direction on a vintage American automobile part. Would anyone like to pass along the name of the foundry doing the Max Wedge and Hemi manifolds?
I figure it can't hurt to pursue this a bit, whether it has been done before on not. I can't count the number of doors slammed on me over the years, it's nothing new. I'm not afraid to try... nothing ventured, nothing gained. If you can help with a good set to loan or sell, or have info on a quality, sympathetic foundry, give me a shout. Thanks.
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Re: Interest in M code exhaust manifold A body??
[Re: Oneida Garage]
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01/27/14 01:15 PM
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I looked into making 017 driver side very seriously.
Found two places that do this stuff. "USA MADE" I was going to make 20 of them. They were going to be 100% correct with numbers and dates. The price was going to be around 1800.00. The reason they are so much is the bend around the steering column, not easily done and time consuming. It's not the 20 that is a lot of money, it's the R&D for one. They make one and they give you one change get them correct, then you start paying more. The problem is, When it is all set looks great you start testing them, how long do you test for? OK you are all done testing. What If you start having an issue with them after they are out, like cracking. What you do? Thats a lot of money to redo or get a bad name. I Love to go them. Just a big risk for 20 parts.
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Re: Interest in M code exhaust manifold A body??
[Re: Oneida Garage]
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01/28/14 06:56 AM
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Good thing I don't have to look for a set, mine still has the originals. By the time this is all said and done there will be more M CODE cars than the factory made. Mine are for sale and also come with the car $30,000 and you don't have to do any r&d to use them. Just my thought on this it should be like getting a fender tag made unless you have documentation of ownership then you can't get an exact copy, just a reproduction without part numbers.
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Re: Interest in M code exhaust manifold A body??
[Re: drgordi]
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01/28/14 11:06 AM
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I worked with these guys in the past on a huge/complex aluminum transmission casting that was almost as big as a Fiat 500. http://www.deltaresearch.com/They are not cheap, but they will do small-run stuff. They work with a small pattern shop (their name escapes me), who worked with a company that 3D-prints the casting cores, and then sent it all to the foundry, then Delta machined everything afterward. 4 companies involved in the final bill, but there are benefits in this particular chain. The pattern shop had software to model the thermodynamics of the foundry pour process against the cores, cope & drag, This is not so much to accurately capture the part’s geometry, but more to ensure that there is good metal flow throughout with no cold spots, knit lines, etc -- which minimizes the # of practice pieces. Based on the pics of this manifold, even though complex to us, it’s a fairly simple part – I’d be surprised if it took more than 2 practice pours (and the 2nd one would probably be usable). And when it’s all finalized, they get more 3D-printed cores and knock them out pretty easily. Cost benefits of the high-tech process will be realized in getting thru the initial R&D pieces with less waste, production run pieces might be a bit cheaper, and you could flip the switch and get another batch 5 years from now that would be identical. So if you guys are serious, put your research and investor hats back on, and get somebody to offer up OEM pieces to get laser-scanned into a 3D model. But be aware – the 3D cores have a nice surface finish, and these manifolds will look *much* better than the originals.
Parts I seek:
driver doorpanel, 65 Sport Fury, prefer black, needs to be 7-8 on 10 scale, might buy set
16" x 6" Dodge truck wheel(s), from early 70s?, takes 9" dogdish - need for a research job so cheaper is better.
69-73 C-body caliper brackets and/or splashields
Send a PM.
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Re: Interest in M code exhaust manifold A body??
[Re: Commando1]
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01/28/14 11:27 AM
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They are probably already here but limited to deep-pockets R&D/prototype companies. I've seen stuff made out of sintered metal that was 3D-printed. They guy that is successful at printing a good B-block EFI manifold for the stroker guys will probably see a nice ROI. BTW Commando - there's a $21,000 66 300 on ebay you should look at, saw it last nite. Thought it was a dreamer-open/no-bid thing, but no, people have pushed the bids that high. Might be the one for ya.
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Re: Interest in M code exhaust manifold A body??
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01/28/14 11:56 AM
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Would 3d printing be helpfull in making molds for this? heck they can make a gun with it and it works
1970 barracuda convert. 1 of 59
1970 pro street A.A.R. clone (panther pink)
1971 charger
2015 hellcat challenger. Redline red
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