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Re: 1971 Challenger Conversion from Auto to Manual
[Re: Ludington1]
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11/10/08 08:46 PM
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Back together - 2
You can see at the far left side the small zinc plate on the firewall. This is the inside of where the clutch master cylinder mounts.
Of these pics, the one that is missing is how I patched the floor after the trans was in there. I used the Keisler sheetmetal, as provided in the kit. I bent it to the shape I needed, and wrapped it top and bottom in this heavy roofing material from Home Depot. It comes in a roll and is about 8" wide, very sticky black tar on one side and metallic layer on the other side. This is great for heat/sound deadening. I covered the sheetmetal piece with this stuff, and it is in there with sheetmetal screws currently. If I ever tear down the car for proper paint/body, I will put it in there better, but for now it seals just fine and the car is noisy anyway because it is a convertible. I'll try to get pics of that part soon, but I will have to pull the passenger seat and console to get to it.
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Re: 1971 Challenger Conversion from Auto to Manual
[Re: boydsdodge]
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11/10/08 08:51 PM
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Jackson
Bad news!....you'll have to put in a 4spd hump,and buy a new carpet and I fully recommend cutting any part of the floor that interferes with attaining a proper driveline angle, the Keisler E body shifter will "appear" were a factory 4 spd pistol grip would,.....I'd recommend, cutting the floor, hold off welding the 4 spd hump in, install the tranny and shifter,phase the driveline, you don't need a drive shaft for that, but you do need an inclination degree wheel.....begin by mesuring your rear pinion angle with the car on the ground, fully equipped as if you were going to drive it, then measure the transmisson, and adjust/ shim/ modify/ whatever to phase your driveline,or rear end.....then install the hump, based on shifter location (centered in hole), tack into place, seam seal, finish install
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Re: 1971 Challenger Conversion from Auto to Manual
[Re: fritzo34]
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11/10/08 10:55 PM
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I just did the keisler conversion in my 70 challenger. I replaced the auto tunnel with the correct 4 speed one. After this was complete I sitll had clearance issues. The kit came with an extra piece of flat sheet metal and a template to use it if you still had problems, and of course I did. Also,I've heard the ebody's have greater clearance issues. So after all this was done it was a fairly big mod. Oh and the pedals are the easiest part of the conversion! Just lube up the bolt with some wd-40 a few days before you do the pedals.
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Re: 1971 Challenger Conversion from Auto to Manual
[Re: boydsdodge]
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11/13/08 09:07 AM
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Thank you very much for your time.
I hope the pic comes thru.
If I hook the push rod up to the correct hole it sits about 1.5" to 2 " away from the bump stop as you say yours is.
Thanks again.
Oops sorry... forgot the pic. I'll get something better today.
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Re: 1971 Challenger Conversion from Auto to Manual
[Re: boydsdodge]
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11/13/08 01:56 PM
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That's the hole I am using, and I am 1.75" away from rubber stop.
You are supposed to put the spacer on the other side of the pedal so your push rod is straighter.
Thanks for the picture I am going to work with it in that hole.
I asked Jeff at Keisler, but he wasn't sure and said that a tech would contact me with the info.
I haven't herd back from him yet.
I'll try and measure and get a better pic this afternoon. With my spacer on the other side the rod hits my brake switch housing, and the rod is actually pretty straight the way I have it. I think the best solution would be to cut that spacer in half and put half on each side, that would work in my case.
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Re: 1971 Challenger Conversion from Auto to Manual
[Re: boydsdodge]
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11/14/08 09:28 AM
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Cool thanks, I be working on mine tomorrow afternoon so I'll get a few pics out.
We have several different lengths available for the push rods. Give me a call and we can have you take an easy measurement so we can send out a longer rod for the master.
Keisler Engineering www.keislerauto.com#1 Choice of Overdrive Transmissions with Over 14,000 Sold
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Re: 1971 Challenger Conversion from Auto to Manual
[Re: DAYCLONA]
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11/14/08 09:33 AM
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Jackson
Bad news!....you'll have to put in a 4spd hump,and buy a new carpet and I fully recommend cutting any part of the floor that interferes with attaining a proper driveline angle, the Keisler E body shifter will "appear" were a factory 4 spd pistol grip would,.....I'd recommend, cutting the floor, hold off welding the 4 spd hump in, install the tranny and shifter,phase the driveline, you don't need a drive shaft for that, but you do need an inclination degree wheel.....begin by mesuring your rear pinion angle with the car on the ground, fully equipped as if you were going to drive it, then measure the transmisson, and adjust/ shim/ modify/ whatever to phase your driveline,or rear end.....then install the hump, based on shifter location (centered in hole), tack into place, seam seal, finish install
I wouldn't necessarily use the words "bad news". In the event you wanted to put in a 4spd you would have to install the 4spd hump. In some instances you will have another piece of sheet metal for the right side of the tunnel. This comes in most cases when guys are working out the driveline angles.
When finished the car will appear stock looking and the shifter will come out in the correct location in the center of the 4sp console.
Keisler Engineering www.keislerauto.com#1 Choice of Overdrive Transmissions with Over 14,000 Sold
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Re: 1971 Challenger Conversion from Auto to Manual
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11/14/08 10:31 AM
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Cool thanks, I be working on mine tomorrow afternoon so I'll get a few pics out.
We have several different lengths available for the push rods. Give me a call and we can have you take an easy measurement so we can send out a longer rod for the master.
Hi Gene,
I may have you send me a longer adjusting rod also for mine and another of the aluminum spacers for the bolt at mentioned above. If I could cut it in half I could get it perfectly lined up.
I will try and call you later today.
Thanks,
Darren
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Re: 1971 Challenger Conversion from Auto to Manual
[Re: fritzo34]
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11/15/08 10:16 AM
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Could someone let me know if a center console automatic can be changed over to a five-speed manual transmission w/o altering the floor pan hump too much? I'd like to keep the original 727 and have it available to put back in the car if I ever sell it and the new owner wants to change it back to auto. My car still retains its original 340 motor. I assume that the pedal assembly would be bolt-in. Any information, good or bad, would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.
Thanks for all the good info provided to Fritzo34. You can reuse the automatic console, and simply modify the console plastic base to provide the clearance. Then use a 4-speed top plate from BEA Parts. They make a beautiful top plate (I have one in our '71 Maximum Overdrive Kuda).
Look on our website under Magazine Appearances, and search down for the Mopar Muscle feature converting an ebody from automatic to manual.
Like Mike said, you will need to install the hump. However, if you return the car back to automatic, just change the top plate, and run a shifter cable instead of the mechanical linkage.
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Re: 1971 Challenger Conversion from Auto to Manual
[Re: boydsdodge]
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11/15/08 06:03 PM
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I see what you are saying about the brake light switch hitting the heim joint, but I would like to keep my push rod as straight as possible. So I think I will have to figure something out with my brake light switch. Hey Dayclona! Any ideas? Since you are such a pro at this install. I would hate to spend time reinventing the wheel.
Jackson,.....usually when you use the hydualic pushrod assy, the brake switch rubs or hits the heim joint,.....depending on the body type, pedals used.....you can do some of the following, but keeping the geometry of the pedal and pushrod correct is paramont, don't alter it for the sake of switch clearance
The shoulder bolt(that pins the heim joint on the pedal) supplied by Keisler is sometimes too long, and the Allen head hits the switch,or allows the heim joint to be clearance too far away from the pedal just go to a hardware/machine supply store and get a shoulder bolt that has less length,......sometimes the plastic switch body is larger than the switch bracket, again most auto parts stores will have a selection of factory replacement switches, purchase a narrow bodied one, your car won't know or care if its a Ford or Chevy or whatever switch.....and sometimes you just have to think out an alternative method on modifing the brake switch to acompany the clearance need between the pedals,....but I usually find the first two methods I mentioned to be effective...hope that helps 
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Re: 1971 Challenger Conversion from Auto to Manual
[Re: boydsdodge]
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11/15/08 07:55 PM
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Thanks guys for the input... I think I can cut that aluminum space in half and it will get the clutch rod lined up a little better, it is pretty close as-is. Let's see your Challenger pics when you have a chance, I have a 71 R/T in the garage that is a long way from being on the street but if I keep it I will be putting some kind of OD manual trans in there. Should be a little easier as it is a factory 4-speed. Darren 
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Re: 1971 Challenger Conversion from Auto to Manual
[Re: Ludington1]
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11/15/08 09:03 PM
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Here it is with the engine pulled and being pushed into my shop.
All original paint.
Last edited by boydsdodge; 11/15/08 09:08 PM.
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when I cruising the highway......that tar base adhjesive will start stinkin, and becoming gooey.......just tellin ya now! 
