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Re: Ran the 440 small block Dakota - Thoughts? [Re: ADakotaRTGuy] #1400018 03/11/13 06:14 PM 03/11/13 06:14 PM
Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 1,969 Chandler, AZ Duner top fuel
Duner top fuel Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 1,969 Chandler, AZ	I'm having enough trouble just staying where I am! I have no more money to "invest" in Dakotas.... Yours or Mine! LOL But if you just felt like sending me those heads to see what they do with boost - just let me know!

Re: Ran the 440 small block Dakota - Thoughts? [Re: Duner] #1400019 03/11/13 08:30 PM 03/11/13 08:30 PM
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ADakotaRTGuy OP member A Joined: Apr 2007 Posts: 193 MD	I will keep that in mind.

Re: Ran the 440 small block Dakota - Thoughts? [Re: ADakotaRTGuy] #1400020 03/11/13 08:44 PM 03/11/13 08:44 PM
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dizuster master D Joined: Jan 2005 Posts: 3,635 Oakland, MI	118mph with a 440" motor and 350cfm of head flow? Something is seriously wrong. Even if it didn't ET well because of low compression (torque) and tight converter it should have still mph'd better then that. For reference...My old 3700lb belvedere went nearly 114mph with a 440, 484 cam, 8.5:1, and box stock edelbrocks. What did Ryan say? How much timing do you have in it?

Re: Ran the 440 small block Dakota - Thoughts? [Re: dizuster] #1400021 03/11/13 08:55 PM 03/11/13 08:55 PM
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ADakotaRTGuy OP member A Joined: Apr 2007 Posts: 193 MD	Didn't ask Ryan as he did not build it, he just did the porting. Timing is at about 33 degrees, remember though its fuel injected. We know it still has more in it, for a first time out I think its doing very well.

Re: Ran the 440 small block Dakota - Thoughts? [Re: ADakotaRTGuy] #1400022 03/11/13 09:29 PM 03/11/13 09:29 PM
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pittsburghracer "Little"John Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 20,162 PA.	You nitrous heads are funny. If something doesn't run as expected first words out of your mouths is " Hit it with some NOS" Some people can still get it done with some good old hard work. 1970 Duster Edelbrock headed 408 5.984@112.52 422 Indy headed small block 5.982@112.56 mph 9.42@138.27 Livin and lovin life one day at a time

Re: Ran the 440 small block Dakota - Thoughts? [Re: ADakotaRTGuy] #1400023 03/11/13 10:05 PM 03/11/13 10:05 PM
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dizuster master D Joined: Jan 2005 Posts: 3,635 Oakland, MI	If you're happy that's all that counts.

Re: Ran the 440 small block Dakota - Thoughts? [Re: dizuster] #1400024 03/11/13 11:45 PM 03/11/13 11:45 PM
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ADakotaRTGuy OP member A Joined: Apr 2007 Posts: 193 MD	So how much power do you think is realistically left on the table by having the compression so low? Raising it to 11:1 would net me what? 60 hp? Maybe more with the good flow from the heads? Hate to dump more money into it right now. I am stationed in Italy and don't even get to enjoy it really. Won't be back stateside till 2015 racing season.

Re: Ran the 440 small block Dakota - Thoughts? [Re: ADakotaRTGuy] #1400025 03/12/13 06:33 AM 03/12/13 06:33 AM
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DakFink mopar D Joined: Dec 2006 Posts: 506 Texas Afghanistan Iraq etc.	Stick with what you got and go your original route as you had planned, as money allows. Change the Cam, Boost it (Turbo or S/C) and re-tune and you'll be flyin'!! 11.25 is good for a Pig!! And we know these trucks are that!

Re: Ran the 440 small block Dakota - Thoughts? [Re: ADakotaRTGuy] #1400026 03/12/13 09:20 AM 03/12/13 09:20 AM
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TheOtherDodge master Joined: Feb 2003 Posts: 4,953 Houston, Texas	It seems like there are a lot of people who don't understand a "power adder" motor. They think N/A the motor should run just as good as a N/A specific motor... Put 15 lbs of boost on that or 250 shot and see how it runs. And thats with a 9:1 compression motor and only 3500 converter and mild gears.

Re: Ran the 440 small block Dakota - Thoughts? [Re: Duner] #1400027 03/12/13 10:53 AM 03/12/13 10:53 AM
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dizuster master D Joined: Jan 2005 Posts: 3,635 Oakland, MI	So other then 9:1 what makes thus a power adder motor? I get that its soft on the bottom end because of the compression and converter, but I would think that it should mph better then 118... The surprising thing is that it actually 60 footed pretty good. 1.58 isn't bad at all for 4000 lbs. How much mph did it go in the 1/8 mile?

Re: Ran the 440 small block Dakota - Thoughts? [Re: dizuster] #1400028 03/12/13 10:59 AM 03/12/13 10:59 AM
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ADakotaRTGuy OP member A Joined: Apr 2007 Posts: 193 MD	It was at 96 at the 1/8th.

Re: Ran the 440 small block Dakota - Thoughts? [Re: ADakotaRTGuy] #1400029 03/12/13 12:18 PM 03/12/13 12:18 PM
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julian2007 super stock Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 901 oh	anyone who says your dakota is not bad fast for what it is does not race.make no mistake that ting is fast for what you have in it.I am the frist to call bull $hit on someont when they start with 3900 lb race cars but I know what those dakotas weigh.440 small block+3900 lbs running 11.20's = FAST 7623104-dakota.jpg (28 downloads) God made cold beer,good friends,hot ladies and race cars don't spit in his face by pi$$ing and moaning about how life sucks!!!

Re: Ran the 440 small block Dakota - Thoughts? [Re: ADakotaRTGuy] #1400030 03/12/13 12:25 PM 03/12/13 12:25 PM
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Triple Threat master T Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 6,266 Renton Washington	I agree that truck is fast, using the old rule of thumb 100# = .10, subtract 1000 pounds and its a low 10 second ride. That's fast with low compression, not a ton of camshaft, and mild gears. Especially on the first day out, it will go faster with tuning i'm sure. Be proud of what you have there, it is a nice piece. -Dustin 67 Dart, 9 second, 392" G3 Hemi 68 Barracuda 340 F/SA

Re: Ran the 440 small block Dakota - Thoughts? [Re: Triple Threat] #1400031 03/12/13 04:05 PM 03/12/13 04:05 PM
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TheOtherDodge master Joined: Feb 2003 Posts: 4,953 Houston, Texas	Generally power adders (depending on what type of power adder) will use a much different gear, converter, compression ratio, cam... For instance, mine is 3.55 geared w/30" tall tire, 3000 converter, 9:1 compression, cam with 0 overlap, shifting at 6000 rpm. This is all because it is set up for turbo and would probably run 12.0 on motor only.

Re: Ran the 440 small block Dakota - Thoughts? [Re: julian2007] #1400032 03/12/13 04:10 PM 03/12/13 04:10 PM
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ADakotaRTGuy OP member A Joined: Apr 2007 Posts: 193 MD	Quote: anyone who says your dakota is not bad fast for what it is does not race.make no mistake that ting is fast for what you have in it.I am the frist to call bull $hit on someont when they start with 3900 lb race cars but I know what those dakotas weigh.440 small block+3900 lbs running 11.20's = FAST Julian, that is a nice truck. What is done to yours?

Re: Ran the 440 small block Dakota - Thoughts? [Re: ADakotaRTGuy] #1400033 03/12/13 07:03 PM 03/12/13 07:03 PM
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dizuster master D Joined: Jan 2005 Posts: 3,635 Oakland, MI	I'm not trying to knock what you've done. I hope that doesn't come off that way. I'm just telling you that you should figure out what's wrong so you can get the most out of your combo. If this one made 470hp to the tire, it probably makes 550~575 at the crank. Just look at some other combo's. Here is a 340" with unported w9's that made 602hp on pump gas. http://www.moparmusclemagazine.com/techarticles/engine/mopp_0310_340_engine_600_hp/viewall.html There is no reason why your's shouldn't make more power then this. Even if this one has more compression, your heads are MUCH better then an unported w9. Like I said... sorry if it came off like I was knocking you. I was just trying to help.

Re: Ran the 440 small block Dakota - Thoughts? [Re: dizuster] #1400034 03/12/13 07:08 PM 03/12/13 07:08 PM
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ADakotaRTGuy OP member A Joined: Apr 2007 Posts: 193 MD	Quote: I'm not trying to knock what you've done. I hope that doesn't come off that way. I'm just telling you that you should figure out what's wrong so you can get the most out of your combo. If this one made 470hp to the tire, it probably makes 550~575 at the crank. Just look at some other combo's. Here is a 340" with unported w9's that made 602hp on pump gas. http://www.moparmusclemagazine.com/techarticles/engine/mopp_0310_340_engine_600_hp/viewall.html There is no reason why your's shouldn't make more power then this. Even if this one has more compression, your heads are MUCH better then an unported w9. Like I said... sorry if it came off like I was knocking you. I was just trying to help. That is all great, but you are missing one important part. Those are 48 degree heads. They flow as much as mine out of the box and can go much much higher.

Re: Ran the 440 small block Dakota - Thoughts? [Re: ADakotaRTGuy] #1400035 03/12/13 07:26 PM 03/12/13 07:26 PM
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pittsburghracer "Little"John Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 20,162 PA.	Just another reason why I hate dyno's. They can be manipulated (corrected) like anything else. Every car in popular hot rod and every other magazine has articles about 600 plus cars every month like its a common everyday occurrence. Show me the time slip, which he has done on his first outing to the track, in a VERY heavy, box like vehicle. When you take a 9.1 compression engine and add aluminum heads its almost like a 7.5 comp engine with cast iron heads. At least this guys taking it to the track. Keep having fun in that great looking truck. 1970 Duster Edelbrock headed 408 5.984@112.52 422 Indy headed small block 5.982@112.56 mph 9.42@138.27 Livin and lovin life one day at a time

Re: Ran the 440 small block Dakota - Thoughts? [Re: pittsburghracer] #1400036 03/12/13 07:30 PM 03/12/13 07:30 PM
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pittsburghracer "Little"John Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 20,162 PA.	By the way, thank-you for your service of serving our Country. Its because of guys like you that we can close our eyes at night and fall asleep. 1970 Duster Edelbrock headed 408 5.984@112.52 422 Indy headed small block 5.982@112.56 mph 9.42@138.27 Livin and lovin life one day at a time

Re: Ran the 440 small block Dakota - Thoughts? [Re: pittsburghracer] #1400037 03/12/13 07:58 PM 03/12/13 07:58 PM
Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 1,969 Chandler, AZ Duner top fuel
Duner top fuel Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 1,969 Chandler, AZ	Magazines..... The number of people who have never been to the track to run or even spectate - but still believe they have a 9-second car just staggers the imagination and boggles the mind. They think that way because they read magazines and bench race with their buddies with ZERO basis for reality.

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