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Re: Fluidampr with Eagle Crank Problem
[Re: rickraw]
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the first mark is from the dust shield.
Dust shield? Is that the oil slinger that stays right up against the lower timing sprocket? I am having a hard time picturing what your saying for some reason
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Re: Fluidampr with Eagle Crank Problem
[Re: rickraw]
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03/03/13 12:23 AM
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Well here is what started the problem. As you can see the pulley does not line up at all. The post below is a pic of behind the damper, showing what I think, is it not going in deep enough. However, because of the hub length, it can't go in deeper because it is bottoming out on the crank.
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Re: Fluidampr with Eagle Crank Problem
[Re: Mopar_Mike]
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03/03/13 12:42 AM
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That damper has certainly seen better days. Are you sure that is the right crank pulley?
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Re: Fluidampr with Eagle Crank Problem
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03/03/13 01:07 AM
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yeah, thats a stock 440 pulley with PS. Here is the replacement billet I want to use.
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Re: Fluidampr with Eagle Crank Problem
[Re: Mopar_Mike]
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03/03/13 01:49 AM
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yeah, thats a stock 440 pulley with PS. Here is the replacement billet I want to use.
ok...
A couple questions.
With the crank bolt out, is the balancer hole flush with the crank snout or show it can go more?
How thick is the Fluiddamper? It looks pretty wide in your picture. Like maybe a Hemi or BB chevy
P/N on the damper?
I've got a couple aftermarket cranks and the snouts are a little oversized. So I had to hone the balancers but sounds like you've got something else happening.
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Re: Fluidampr with Eagle Crank Problem
[Re: Mopar_Mike]
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03/03/13 03:34 AM
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Well here is what started the problem. As you can see the pulley does not line up at all. The post below is a pic of behind the damper, showing what I think, is it not going in deep enough. However, because of the hub length, it can't go in deeper because it is bottoming out on the crank.
Mike, If you are planning on running the stock pullies, you need the revised sunken fluid dampner. It will allow you to run the stock stuff.
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Re: Fluidampr with Eagle Crank Problem
[Re: Mopar_Mike]
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03/03/13 12:03 PM
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I see the snout on the Eagle crank is about 1.75" while a stock 440 crank is around 2.5".
I agree that old design Fluidamper doesn't allow the stock pullies to line up (no recess for the pulley).
I am wondering about your crank snout info.
Is the measurement in this pic what you are talking about?
1.767" plus the crank sprocket thickness of 0.78" = 2.55"?
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Re: Fluidampr with Eagle Crank Problem
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03/03/13 01:12 PM
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Damper looks be be for a 392 Hemi.
Leave the gun.......take the Cannoli's....Mike
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Re: Fluidampr with Eagle Crank Problem
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03/03/13 02:07 PM
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If everything else is fine and all you need is a"shorter" pulley check Mike Doty's website. http://www.dotymi.com/Automotive_Home.htmI use the Doty pulley with the other stock pulleys and everything lines up perfectly. This is for ATI dampers though. The difference looks about the same, though so this could be your answer. Here is one with a Doty crank pulley, stock w/p pulley. EDIT: Looking at the pic you posted(side view) it looks like the pulley isnt seated far down enough. Is it the hub? I doubt there is anything wrong with the crankshaft... Maybe its time to drop back and punt. Sell off that FD to someone else, get an ATI and a Doty pulley and you can use all your billet stuff. Problem solved.. MB
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Re: Fluidampr with Eagle Crank Problem
[Re: HPMike]
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03/03/13 05:14 PM
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Thanks everyone for your responses and help. I think I found the problem...
Don't use parts you know nothing about!
I am buying a new damper!
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Re: Fluidampr with Eagle Crank Problem
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03/03/13 05:20 PM
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Thanks everyone for your responses and help. I think I found the problem...
Don't use parts you know nothing about!
I am buying a new damper!
get yourself an ATI and forget about a fluid damper 
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Re: Fluidampr with Eagle Crank Problem
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Thanks everyone for your responses and help. I think I found the problem...
Don't use parts you know nothing about!
I am buying a new damper!
get yourself an ATI and forget about a fluid damper
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Re: Fluidampr with Eagle Crank Problem
[Re: Mopar_Mike]
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03/03/13 05:32 PM
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That's definately the old style fluidamper. That thing has tobe pretty old because they haven't made them that way for a very long time now. I think someone was making pulley's that would work but don't remember who it was now. Google might help on that.
I know if it were something i was building, that damper would become a door stop inn favor of something newer that would also work with the pulley you already own.
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