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Re: Milodon Alum pump & cover [Re: Tig] #1391477
02/24/13 04:14 AM
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can you use the stock oil pump drive if your using the stock cast cover or do you have to buy the longer one anyways running this pump?

Re: Milodon Alum pump & cover [Re: dangina] #1391478
02/24/13 10:46 AM
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can you use the stock oil pump drive if your using the stock cast cover or do you have to buy the longer one anyways running this pump?




the pump im running takes a longer shaft. any of these pump you'd want to have a hardened tipped shaft.


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Re: Milodon Alum pump & cover [Re: Bishop] #1391479
02/24/13 10:59 AM
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I'm using that pump with the stock cover and a 1/2" internal pick-up. It's sweet, takes less power to drive at a given rpm than a stock pump and with the stock cover, and fits just like the stock HV pump body.

The lobes on the gearator are much more pointed than the factory lobes. Be sure to port match the pump to the block etc and do the rest of the recommended internal oiling system mods.

It's a nice upgrade to your oiling system.

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Re: Milodon Alum pump & cover [Re: jbc426] #1391480
02/24/13 11:15 AM
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Did it torque up OK?


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Re: Milodon Alum pump & cover [Re: astjp2] #1391481
02/24/13 12:46 PM
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Anyone ever use one of these Milodon Alum oil pumps or is there a better one on the Market? This will be going on a all Alum. 572 street HEMI 10.5:1 pump gas motor wit a HP performance Alum. block #23

Thanks Brian

http://chucker54.stores.yahoo.net/newbimioilpu.html




We've got one on the car right now, Couldn't tighten the mounting bolts to the stock iron torque specs without it binding.
I was told 15ft lbs was OK and it seems to work on the drill.
Never found out what Milodon recommended
Haven't got round to running the motor yet either.



What mounts are you using? Which block? Which K-member? The OP was asking about a Hemi block and K-member with the new cover and others post pics of their 440 setup or of some other cover. Tim




Years ago I cracked the housing of a cast iron version of that oil pump. It was at the narrowest wall. That motor would have been toast if I didn't constantly check and recheck things. I torqued it to stock specs and it bound up to the point I could not spin the motor. That lower torque spec sounds very familiar.

I have a hand written tag on a new cast iron one that is still on the shelf that says 25 ft lbs.


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Re: Milodon Alum pump & cover [Re: jbc426] #1391482
02/26/13 12:47 AM
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I'm using that pump with the stock cover and a 1/2" internal pick-up. It's sweet, takes less power to drive at a given rpm than a stock pump and with the stock cover, and fits just like the stock HV pump body.

The lobes on the gearator are much more pointed than the factory lobes. Be sure to port match the pump to the block etc and do the rest of the recommended internal oiling system mods.

It's a nice upgrade to your oiling system.




I have to port match the block? thanks I did not know this and will do so before I goto install it. As for the rest of the internal oil system mods what can I do to improve? building a 470ci stroker (400 block) running the milodon oil pump and milodon road race pan with windage tray and 3/8" pickup

Re: Milodon Alum pump & cover [Re: dangina] #1391483
02/26/13 02:08 AM
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Don't grind the block, grind the pump to match the block. You don't want to have to mess with the block again if you ever need to change pumps.


Re: Milodon Alum pump & cover [Re: Bishop] #1391484
02/26/13 08:41 AM
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Anyone ever use one of these Milodon Alum oil pumps or is there a better one on the Market? This will be going on a all Alum. 572 street HEMI 10.5:1 pump gas motor wit a HP performance Alum. block #23

Thanks Brian

http://chucker54.stores.yahoo.net/newbimioilpu.html




I gots me one...Just the cover though. I used a Melling pump. Seals up good.



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Re: Milodon Alum pump & cover [Re: Dragula] #1391485
02/26/13 04:46 PM
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Anyone ever use one of these Milodon Alum oil pumps or is there a better one on the Market? This will be going on a all Alum. 572 street HEMI 10.5:1 pump gas motor wit a HP performance Alum. block #23

Thanks Brian

http://chucker54.stores.yahoo.net/newbimioilpu.html




I gots me one...Just the cover though. I used a Melling pump. Seals up good.





Wait until you try putting on the motor mounts...Take some pics when you do so we can see how well it fits. Tim


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Re: Milodon Alum pump & cover [Re: dangina] #1391486
02/26/13 09:34 PM
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I'm using that pump with the stock cover and a 1/2" internal pick-up. It's sweet, takes less power to drive at a given rpm than a stock pump and with the stock cover, and fits just like the stock HV pump body.

The lobes on the gearator are much more pointed than the factory lobes. Be sure to port match the pump to the block etc and do the rest of the recommended internal oiling system mods.

It's a nice upgrade to your oiling system.




I have to port match the block? thanks I did not know this and will do so before I goto install it. As for the rest of the internal oil system mods what can I do to improve? building a 470ci stroker (400 block) running the milodon oil pump and milodon road race pan with windage tray and 3/8" pickup




There's a very wise bunch of experienced engine builders on this site that can point you in the right direction regarding preparing and improving the blocks oil passages etc.

Just be careful, take your time and follow the generally accepted practices of the guys who've been there done that.

One of the most critical things you can do is clean everything, and I mean everything several times.


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