Head choice for the next race only engine build
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I have a set of 440-1C heads I just freshened up. They were cleaned up, port matched, and I had them decked .030 on the surface and .036 on the intake face. I actually won't have them home from the shop until friday. But anyways...
A friend of mine got a hold of me, aking me if I wanted a set of B1 originals, that had been sent out and ported. He said he was Indy only and knew I had built a B1 a few months back. He wants to trade even up. I will have to see what CC the heads are now though, if they had been decked. They are new.
Since I hadn't bought anything for the build yet, and I want around 850 hp more or less, I was thinking save weight, and trade for the B1's. I know what's involved on building the engine, and that isn't an issue.
Would you keep the cast 440-1's or consider another B1? They both make power, seems lighter is better to me. This is a straight up trade, done heads for done heads. I do know the issues with Higher revs and durabilty on valve train. Planning on a 528 or a 540 this time. Just to build something. I actually would be helping out a fellow racer in a way. He has left the heads in his closet for a few years now. He wants to stay with all Indy stuff.
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Re: Head choice for the next race only engine build
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No Brainer. The B1 is a far superior head. They will require more custom pieces like headers and pistons, but in the long run I'd much rather own the B1's than the Cast -1's 
 Do it NOW!!!! 
Chris.. 
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Re: Head choice for the next race only engine build
[Re: Mopar-Al]
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Get the B1's in your hands, then tell your friend to see a doctor, because he probably has a brain tumor or concussion or something else wrong with him. Trading B-1 for indy anything is a sign of sickness.  S/F....Ken M
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Re: Head choice for the next race only engine build
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02/20/13 11:03 PM
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No Brainer. The B1 is a far superior head. They will require more custom pieces like headers and pistons, but in the long run I'd much rather own the B1's than the Cast -1's
Do it NOW!!!!
Chris..
X2 ... get them now before he changes his mind
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Re: Head choice for the next race only engine build
[Re: MR_P_BODY]
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No Brainer. The B1 is a far superior head. They will require more custom pieces like headers and pistons, but in the long run I'd much rather own the B1's than the Cast -1's
Do it NOW!!!!
Chris..
X2 ... get them now before he changes his mind
He has been trying for a bit now. MR P, so you have some 15-1 pistons that might work with this? That was a 499 RB or B block? Rod Length? You see where im heading?
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Re: Head choice for the next race only engine build
[Re: Mopar-Al]
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02/21/13 12:08 AM
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my next 2 engines are going to be aftermarket blocks. Was that a 4.15 stroke piston? I remember you said High reving, but cant remember the rod and stroke you planned on using
Yeah that was a 4.15 stroke with a 7.1 rod... I had
planned on reving it to 9000 to make the heads efficient..
that was a 518ci engine... I sold the block and heads
to a buddy that wanted to build a 572 and sold the
rods(GRP alum rods) to Jeepman... all I have left
are the CP gas ported pistons and rings for 4.440
bore at 15.1... I still have the Callies crank that
someone is looking to buy
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Re: Head choice for the next race only engine build
[Re: Mopar-Al]
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my next 2 engines are going to be aftermarket blocks. Was that a 4.15 stroke piston? I remember you said High reving, but cant remember
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Re: Head choice for the next race only engine build
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02/21/13 01:21 AM
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my next 2 engines are going to be aftermarket blocks. Was that a 4.15 stroke piston? I remember you said High reving, but cant remember the rod and stroke you planned on using
Yeah that was a 4.15 stroke with a 7.1 rod... I had
planned on reving it to 9000 to make the heads efficient..
that was a 518ci engine... I sold the block and heads
to a buddy that wanted to build a 572 and sold the
rods(GRP alum rods) to Jeepman... all I have left
are the CP gas ported pistons and rings for 4.440
bore at 15.1... I still have the Callies crank that
someone is looking to buy
Should we go to a pm, where we can swap phone numbers and talk prices agian? You wrote me once already on the pistons,on a good price and I think you said pins were with it. You had gave me a price, but might want to talk about the crank, if it doesnt go for you. Those pistons were for the 2.40 titianim intake valve right, but I believe they may work for the 2.380 valves with relief work. Is that correct? Were you going to run a 7.o58 aluminum rod? or flat out 7.100?
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My B1 originals ported by Koffels flowed 420 CFM on thier bench, I have't built a motor for them yet but I expect 900 + HP, depending on the C.I. and application 
The B-1 are a step up from the Indy 440-1, Predators next 
