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School me on Diesels #1387622
02/14/13 08:58 PM
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I am having to get a commuter/work truck to replace my D100/350 frame with a 440 that gets 3.5 mpg. I am looking at a 92 250 EXCab 2x with 341k and a oil leak at rear main. A 96 2500 ExCab 4x4 with 315K. A 96 EXCab 2x with 213K and slow to move auto. A 96 ExCab 4x4x with 145K but with a lot of aftermarket stuff under the hood. And two Fords F 350 Crew duallies with IDI Diesels, what ever that is. Not ever owned one I am looking for advice good or bad, what to look for. All the trucks are $4000 to $6000.

Re: School me on Diesels [Re: dhkennedy] #1387623
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Stick with the Cummins powered trucks. The later model ones with the P7100 injection pump are the best. They were produced from 94 to early 98. All 12 valve trucks are simple and last forever. They will also start when the Ford will not even think about it in the cold weather. They have a lot more power than the Ford/Navistar engines do too. IDI stands for In-direct-Injection FWIW. I would suggest some reading on the TDR or DTR websites for all the good and bads of each model.


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Re: School me on Diesels [Re: 71yelladustr] #1387624
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Thanks, you have help narrow the field some. I have the choice of a GV OD and Dana 70 rebuild, 4.56 now to 3.55's or a different truck. I am not sold on the GV OD being up the job of handling 440 and the tool boxes. Both Fords are Crew Cabs Duallies and 8" beds, no fields to turn around in Silicon Vally so they are out.

Re: School me on Diesels [Re: 71yelladustr] #1387625
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Stick with the Cummins powered trucks. The later model ones with the P7100 injection pump are the best. They were produced from 94 to early 98. All 12 valve trucks are simple and last forever. They will also start when the Ford will not even think about it in the cold weather. They have a lot more power than the Ford/Navistar engines do too. IDI stands for In-direct-Injection FWIW. I would suggest some reading on the TDR or DTR websites for all the good and bads of each model.




I cannot remember why but the 96 & 97 P Pumps are better than the 94 & 95 pumps. The 96 & 97 P Pumps from/for stick trucks are the more desirable pumps over the pumps designed for the automatic trucks and I believe it is because of the larger valve in the pumps designed for stick trucks.


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Re: School me on Diesels [Re: E-Ticket] #1387626
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All are Autos, one Ford had a stick. I will not be towing anything. My tool box is a 48" job box, and will be putting on my 1k tommy lift tailgate.

Re: School me on Diesels [Re: dhkennedy] #1387627
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E-ticket you are right about the 96-98 215 hp pumps being the best as far as power. The 96-98 auto pumps are rated at 180 hp. The 94-95 autos are 160 hp. 94-95 stick motors are 175 hp. These are federal emissions ratings, NOT California hp ratings, which are sometimes less due to EGR being installed.

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Re: School me on Diesels [Re: dhkennedy] #1387628
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I wouldn't even be looking at trucks with that kind of miles. I recently sold my 99 cummins 2500 with 240k miles on it and my buddy has a 93 with 220k miles on it. With both of ours we found at that mileage you start having to repair a lot of small things. If it's not one thing it's the next. The engine itself will run fine, it's everything else that starts having issues. Don't believe me, you'll find out for yourself!

Re: School me on Diesels [Re: DaytonaTurbo] #1387629
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Not much of a choice on milage, work is to slow to get a newer on. A 2001 with 150K out here is over 15K. I can not finance anything, credit was tanked 2 1/2 years ago. I know the Auto rebuild is about $1500, looking at the2X so not to have the 4X wobble. May go the motorcycle route and leave the truck on the job.

Re: School me on Diesels [Re: dhkennedy] #1387630
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Not much of a choice on milage, work is to slow to get a newer on. A 2001 with 150K out here is over 15K. I can not finance anything, credit was tanked 2 1/2 years ago. I know the Auto rebuild is about $1500, looking at the2X so not to have the 4X wobble. May go the motorcycle route and leave the truck on the job.




A $1500 rebuild on a Dodge transmission will leave you walking in about 60,000 miles. I have $2500 in parts alone in my '03 and that's building it myself. It will last longer than the rest of the truck though. If I were in your shoes, I'd be looking at the '96 with 145K on it.

Re: School me on Diesels [Re: cascius] #1387631
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Not much of a choice on milage, work is to slow to get a newer on. A 2001 with 150K out here is over 15K. I can not finance anything, credit was tanked 2 1/2 years ago. I know the Auto rebuild is about $1500, looking at the2X so not to have the 4X wobble. May go the motorcycle route and leave the truck on the job.




A $1500 rebuild on a Dodge transmission will leave you walking in about 60,000 miles. I have $2500 in parts alone in my '03 and that's building it myself. It will last longer than the rest of the truck though. If I were in your shoes, I'd be looking at the '96 with 145K on it.


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Re: School me on Diesels [Re: cascius] #1387632
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The $1500 was the Master kit, no labor included. Looking at $6250 and it has a utility bed. Lowest milage but the highs price, going to see it next weekend. Said it has new transmision, converter and tires. Thanks for everybodys input.

Re: School me on Diesels [Re: dhkennedy] #1387633
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I own a small fleet of 1/2, 3/4 and 1 ton Chev and Ford pickups and vans. My biggest disappointment has been the Ford diesel. Despite being maintained by a Ford dealership and according to the maintenance schedule, I find them unreliable and constant source of frustration. I have bought my last Ford diesel! Stick to the Cummins. Good Luck.

Re: School me on Diesels [Re: GTX fan] #1387634
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My 01 has 220k, it hasn't needed any more than I expected. Last week I pulled and cleaned the iat sensor and clean the alternator and battery connections. I put a new ceramic clutch in last month, but that was because the old one couldn't handle the power. I also had to put new contacts in the starter, $13 and less than an hour to do. I do have a weak ps pump now, but I run oversize 33" mud tires on the truck. In the last year, I put on a new right front caliper.

I tow a lot and the truck gets abused pulling cars out of the field, some stuck in the ground... so I definitely can't complain with what it has needed maintenance wise. I wouldn't even consider going back to a gas truck when I haul in the rest of the scrap cars. I get 19mpg locally and on the highway I'll see 30 plus, but rarely drive that far.

I would suggest going with a stick.


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Re: School me on Diesels [Re: 76dodgeboy] #1387635
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Not much of a choice on milage, work is to slow to get a newer on. A 2001 with 150K out here is over 15K. I can not finance anything, credit was tanked 2 1/2 years ago. I know the Auto rebuild is about $1500, looking at the2X so not to have the 4X wobble. May go the motorcycle route and leave the truck on the job.




A $1500 rebuild on a Dodge transmission will leave you walking in about 60,000 miles. I have $2500 in parts alone in my '03 and that's building it myself. It will last longer than the rest of the truck though. If I were in your shoes, I'd be looking at the '96 with 145K on it.


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Unless you are making 1000 lb/ft of torque you spent way to much money on that trans, but then like you said it should last forever. With normal duty use the stock automatic is well up to the task.


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Unless you are making 1000 lb/ft of torque you spent way to much money on that trans, but then like you said it should last forever. With normal duty use the stock automatic is well up to the task.




After spending the last 4 years building nothing but Dodge transmissions I'd rather be safe than sorry. A stock automatic is absolutely junk. They don't run near enough line pressure and that's a big reason they go out as often as they do. The stock torque converter is also extremely inefficient. You sure don't hear people talk about how great stock automatics are. It's always been their downfall.

Most of the parts put into mine are insurance, so I hopefully never have to do it again. Some are also fixes for common problems associated with them (reverse servo, Sonnax manual valve and PR valve). There were probably a few parts that I didn't need (heavy duty flexplate, billet input shaft, billet overdrive support) but I'd rather have them now and be able to add power later than not have them and fry it. The way it sits it would stand up great to a 600-650HP daily driver that would probably put down somewhere in the neighborhood of 1500 ft/lbs of torque. If the $1500 rebuild was referring to parts only and doing all the labor yourself then I'd agree that it would probably be ok. If you're paying $1500 for a reman unit, then I don't see it lasting any better than the one you just pulled out and you can definitely plan on replacing it again.

Re: School me on Diesels [Re: cascius] #1387637
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Unless you are making 1000 lb/ft of torque you spent way to much money on that trans, but then like you said it should last forever. With normal duty use the stock automatic is well up to the task.




After spending the last 4 years building nothing but Dodge transmissions I'd rather be safe than sorry. A stock automatic is absolutely junk. They don't run near enough line pressure and that's a big reason they go out as often as they do. The stock torque converter is also extremely inefficient. You sure don't hear people talk about how great stock automatics are. It's always been their downfall.

Most of the parts put into mine are insurance, so I hopefully never have to do it again. Some are also fixes for common problems associated with them (reverse servo, Sonnax manual valve and PR valve). There were probably a few parts that I didn't need (heavy duty flexplate, billet input shaft, billet overdrive support) but I'd rather have them now and be able to add power later than not have them and fry it. The way it sits it would stand up great to a 600-650HP daily driver that would probably put down somewhere in the neighborhood of 1500 ft/lbs of torque. If the $1500 rebuild was referring to parts only and doing all the labor yourself then I'd agree that it would probably be ok. If you're paying $1500 for a reman unit, then I don't see it lasting any better than the one you just pulled out and you can definitely plan on replacing it again.




A master kit was under 300 last time I bought one for a 47RE , I went crazy to and put a billet input in it and have a DTT convertor , don't think I have more than 3500 in mine and put over 180k miles on it ...

Re: School me on Diesels [Re: JohnRR] #1387638
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Unless you are making 1000 lb/ft of torque you spent way to much money on that trans, but then like you said it should last forever. With normal duty use the stock automatic is well up to the task.




After spending the last 4 years building nothing but Dodge transmissions I'd rather be safe than sorry. A stock automatic is absolutely junk. They don't run near enough line pressure and that's a big reason they go out as often as they do. The stock torque converter is also extremely inefficient. You sure don't hear people talk about how great stock automatics are. It's always been their downfall.

Most of the parts put into mine are insurance, so I hopefully never have to do it again. Some are also fixes for common problems associated with them (reverse servo, Sonnax manual valve and PR valve). There were probably a few parts that I didn't need (heavy duty flexplate, billet input shaft, billet overdrive support) but I'd rather have them now and be able to add power later than not have them and fry it. The way it sits it would stand up great to a 600-650HP daily driver that would probably put down somewhere in the neighborhood of 1500 ft/lbs of torque. If the $1500 rebuild was referring to parts only and doing all the labor yourself then I'd agree that it would probably be ok. If you're paying $1500 for a reman unit, then I don't see it lasting any better than the one you just pulled out and you can definitely plan on replacing it again.




A master kit was under 300 last time I bought one for a 47RE , I went crazy to and put a billet input in it and have a DTT convertor , don't think I have more than 3500 in mine and put over 180k miles on it ...




I know the trans I had built for my 93 Diesel was no where near $1500 and it was done with quality parts by a trusted builder. And I used an aftermarket "stage II" style converter. Ultra low stall speed, really helped with the auto and towing use.

With the master kit, new bearings and seal on the OD section, some other internal goodies, the valvebody kit, and the converter I was under the $800 mark.


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Re: School me on Diesels [Re: dhkennedy] #1387639
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The OP doesn't tell us exactly what he needs in a truck. If he is primarily using the truck to commute and haul some tools, I'd question if a diesel will be cost effective. If a half ton would meet his needs, I'd suggest a 1/2 ton gas truck with a six or small 8 cylinder engine. Keeping his current truck and buying a compact 2 wheel drive pick-up with a 4 cylinder / 5 speed for commuting duty may be another alternative.

Diesels are wonderful for heavy duty hauling, towing, etc. Diesels have lots of advantages such as more power, longer engine life, higher resale value, etc. Unfortunately, diesel trucks cost more than gas trucks to purchase. Diesel fuel generally cost more than gasoline. Oil changes cost more on a diesel. Parts usually cost more on a diesel. Bottom line: Diesels use less fuel, but many other items will cost more which offsets much or possibly all of the fuel savings.

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The OP doesn't tell us exactly what he needs in a truck. If he is primarily using the truck to commute and haul some tools, I'd question if a diesel will be cost effective. If a half ton would meet his needs, I'd suggest a 1/2 ton gas truck with a six or small 8 cylinder engine. Keeping his current truck and buying a compact 2 wheel drive pick-up with a 4 cylinder / 5 speed for commuting duty may be another alternative.

Diesels are wonderful for heavy duty hauling, towing, etc. Diesels have lots of advantages such as more power, longer engine life, higher resale value, etc. Unfortunately, diesel trucks cost more than gas trucks to purchase. Diesel fuel generally cost more than gasoline. Oil changes cost more on a diesel. Parts usually cost more on a diesel. Bottom line: Diesels use less fuel, but many other items will cost more which offsets much or possibly all of the fuel savings. [/quot

Let's say we buy two new trucks one diesel and one gas and drive them to 50,000 miles. The gas truck a hemi would need 10 oil changes with 6 qts per change, so a total of 60 qts. Now take a cummins diesel and and change at 7500 and you need 6 changes to get there. So you need 72 qts to do it. So with a diesel your oil changes are 50 bucks more in 50,000 miles. Really not that much money.

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The OP doesn't tell us exactly what he needs in a truck. If he is primarily using the truck to commute and haul some tools, I'd question if a diesel will be cost effective. If a half ton would meet his needs, I'd suggest a 1/2 ton gas truck with a six or small 8 cylinder engine. Keeping his current truck and buying a compact 2 wheel drive pick-up with a 4 cylinder / 5 speed for commuting duty may be another alternative.

Diesels are wonderful for heavy duty hauling, towing, etc. Diesels have lots of advantages such as more power, longer engine life, higher resale value, etc. Unfortunately, diesel trucks cost more than gas trucks to purchase. Diesel fuel generally cost more than gasoline. Oil changes cost more on a diesel. Parts usually cost more on a diesel. Bottom line: Diesels use less fuel, but many other items will cost more which offsets much or possibly all of the fuel savings.



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Getting 3.5 mpg in a truck gives you LOTS of options for cheap improvement in fuel costs.

I became a 1st-time diesel owner about a year ago (box truck bought for storage and moving between houses, now sees occastional Lowes duty). If anything goes wrong with it engine-wise, it's lots more expensive. And no matter how much you know and how skilled you are automotive-wise, a diesel is a whole new world. It's like moving to a new city and learnign your way around. And you might be dependent on a repair shop, which sucks if you aren't used to it. BTDT


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