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Black zinc go-to person??? #1380484 02/02/13 04:11 PM 02/02/13 04:11 PM
Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 1,029 Southeast Virginia 68jim OP super stock
68jim OP super stock Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 1,029 Southeast Virginia	Guys, When I did my road runner a couple of years ago I used the Eastwood kits on much of my hardware. The stuff certainly looks nice for a while and the only water my car has seen is just from a garden hose... Lot of the hardware is starting to rust again and since I had to remove several pieces after the accident, I seem to recall that black zinc was a better product than the black phosphate even though it tend to be a bit more glossy. Do we have a go-to person on the board here for this process or is this fairly common for local platers? Jim 7571913-PB110314.JPG (51 downloads)

Re: Black zinc go-to person??? [Re: 68jim] #1380485 02/02/13 04:16 PM 02/02/13 04:16 PM
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JDMopar master J Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 8,485 Candler,NC / Myrtle Beach, SC	Moparts member 3404 Eric did some stuff for me several years ago, and it turned out great. Good guy to deal with. 3404@oh.rr.com

Re: Black zinc go-to person??? [Re: 68jim] #1380486 02/02/13 04:17 PM 02/02/13 04:17 PM
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1_WILD_RT Management Trainee Joined: Jan 2004 Posts: 27,347 Today? Who Knows?	You may be able to find a local plater that can do it, out in California it's gotten hard to find... Since they have a flat minimum fee last time I had black zinc done I took in quite a bit... 7571922-Oxide011.jpg (68 downloads) "The Armies of our ancestors were lucky, in that they were not trailed by a second army of pencil pushers."

Re: Black zinc go-to person??? [Re: 1_WILD_RT] #1380487 02/02/13 04:20 PM 02/02/13 04:20 PM
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1_WILD_RT Management Trainee Joined: Jan 2004 Posts: 27,347 Today? Who Knows?	2 7571928-Oxide012.jpg (105 downloads) "The Armies of our ancestors were lucky, in that they were not trailed by a second army of pencil pushers."

Re: Black zinc go-to person??? [Re: 1_WILD_RT] #1380488 02/02/13 04:21 PM 02/02/13 04:21 PM
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1_WILD_RT Management Trainee Joined: Jan 2004 Posts: 27,347 Today? Who Knows?	3 7571929-temp068.jpg (78 downloads) "The Armies of our ancestors were lucky, in that they were not trailed by a second army of pencil pushers."

Re: Black zinc go-to person??? [Re: 1_WILD_RT] #1380489 02/02/13 04:22 PM 02/02/13 04:22 PM
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1_WILD_RT Management Trainee Joined: Jan 2004 Posts: 27,347 Today? Who Knows?	And 7571932-Oxide008.jpg (75 downloads) "The Armies of our ancestors were lucky, in that they were not trailed by a second army of pencil pushers."

Re: Black zinc go-to person??? [Re: 1_WILD_RT] #1380490 02/02/13 05:28 PM 02/02/13 05:28 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 18,632 jersey shore F flypaper I hate Texas
flypaper I hate Texas F Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 18,632 jersey shore	that stuff looks nice wild! have you used it on a car for a while and how does it hold up? i'm at that crossroad right now i have alot of that stuff cleaned up and bagged away and i'm plotting my next move.

Re: Black zinc go-to person??? [Re: flypaper] #1380491 02/02/13 05:44 PM 02/02/13 05:44 PM
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1_WILD_RT Management Trainee Joined: Jan 2004 Posts: 27,347 Today? Who Knows?	I've had black zinc stuff on a few cars for 10-12 years now & it still looks good, but this is California so it's a mild climate.. I did everything I posted plus probably the same amount that I didn't post, through Alta Plating in Sacramento it was $300.00 Their minimum is $120 so I just took them everything I could think of & hoped it wouldn't be to ugly... "The Armies of our ancestors were lucky, in that they were not trailed by a second army of pencil pushers."

Re: Black zinc go-to person??? [Re: 1_WILD_RT] #1380492 02/02/13 06:17 PM 02/02/13 06:17 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 20,773 A collage of whims topside Too Many Posts
topside Too Many Posts Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 20,773 A collage of whims	I use Eric ("3404" here) for all my plating; he's been great on the last couple of cars.

Re: Black zinc go-to person??? [Re: topside] #1380493 02/02/13 09:07 PM 02/02/13 09:07 PM
Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 1,029 Southeast Virginia 68jim OP super stock
68jim OP super stock Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 1,029 Southeast Virginia	Thanks for the responses. I sent Eric a PM. Jim

Re: Black zinc go-to person??? [Re: 68jim] #1380494 02/03/13 12:06 AM 02/03/13 12:06 AM
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Smhemi member S Joined: May 2007 Posts: 121 Usa	Jim when you get your parts back try this stuff works good on black phosphate http://www.grizzly.com/products/LCW-Post-Treatment-Solution-1-pt-/H9459 Last edited by Smhemi; 02/03/13 12:09 AM.

Re: Black zinc go-to person??? [Re: 68jim] #1380495 02/03/13 10:41 AM 02/03/13 10:41 AM
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cdstl pro stock Joined: Sep 2011 Posts: 1,487 STL	I have used Gun blue which I purchased at Cabela's. The parts need to be "oiled" to prevent them from rusting. I coat them with grease. It's an inexpensive way of getting a finish on them. Picture shows before, wire wheeled and after although the after does not have grease on it yet. 7572981-Phosphate.JPG (38 downloads) 1972 Cuda 340 4 speed, 2001 Ram CTD 4x4 6 speed, 1970 Duster 408 4 speed, 1996 Ram 5.9 2x4 auto, 1965 Coronet 500

Re: Black zinc go-to person??? [Re: cdstl] #1380496 02/03/13 12:54 PM 02/03/13 12:54 PM
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1_WILD_RT Management Trainee Joined: Jan 2004 Posts: 27,347 Today? Who Knows?	Quote: I have used Gun blue which I purchased at Cabela's. The parts need to be "oiled" to prevent them from rusting. I coat them with grease. It's an inexpensive way of getting a finish on them. Picture shows before, wire wheeled and after although the after does not have grease on it yet. Been there, tried that... As pointed out in the first post the results of gun blue or other cold dip processes looks good short term but I drive my cars & bolts showing rust in a couple years isn't acceptable... "The Armies of our ancestors were lucky, in that they were not trailed by a second army of pencil pushers."

Re: Black zinc go-to person??? [Re: cdstl] #1380497 02/03/13 12:57 PM 02/03/13 12:57 PM
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AAR#2 super stock A Joined: Oct 2011 Posts: 768 Dry Heat AZ	Quote: I have used Gun blue which I purchased at Cabela's. The parts need to be "oiled" to prevent them from rusting. I coat them with grease. It's an inexpensive way of getting a finish on them. Picture shows before, wire wheeled and after although the after does not have grease on it yet. Gun blue is Black Oxide, and a horrible corrosion preventative. Its strong suit is that it add's no appreciable dimension to a surface, so precision ground or finished items will work as intended. Due to the structure of the coating it holds oil (or sealers) and is the only real protection you get. The downside being that oil will collect dirt. In some applications black oxide is used in gearboxe gears to continually wet the surface (remember it holds oil), providing better lubrication. Phosphates (zinc or manganese) are only slightly better for corrosion protection and act similarly to black oxide by holding oil (or sealer) on the surface. Colors vary slightly based on the age of bath, time in bath, temperature and material being plated. Zinc is a more porous surface and generally more grey, manganese is a tighter structure and usually a bit darker, perhaps more appealing visually. The original post was asking about black zinc. This surface will actually provide good corrosion protection since your actually applying zinc with a conversion coat. If taken to a plating shop it will likely be hexavalent though some are switching to trivalent chromates as they are more EPA friendly. Black chromate will leave a very slight iridescent color on the surface (purple, pink, green effect). Bottom line, oxide and phosphate are poor corrosion protectors on their own and rely on oils or sealers, black zinc is far superior for corrosion protection (in the magnitude of 15x better) The decision becomes do you need original finish and look or not, builder choice.

Re: Black zinc go-to person??? [Re: 1_WILD_RT] #1380498 02/03/13 01:10 PM 02/03/13 01:10 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 18,632 jersey shore F flypaper I hate Texas
flypaper I hate Texas F Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 18,632 jersey shore	Quote: Quote: I have used Gun blue which I purchased at Cabela's. The parts need to be "oiled" to prevent them from rusting. I coat them with grease. It's an inexpensive way of getting a finish on them. Picture shows before, wire wheeled and after although the after does not have grease on it yet. Been there, tried that... As pointed out in the first post the results of gun blue or other cold dip processes looks good short term but I drive my cars & bolts showing rust in a couple years isn't acceptable... that is the way i'm thinking.. i live in one of the most harsh environments for a car to survive long term. it might seem overkill, but i see first hand how different things will last out in the elements at the shore near me.

Re: Black zinc go-to person??? [Re: flypaper] #1380499 02/04/13 04:06 PM 02/04/13 04:06 PM
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mopars_1 master M Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 3,106 Ridgeland Wi	I used gun blueing and then coared them in ECS's rpm. Relativly cheap and effective way to do all my hardware. 1971 Plymouth Duster 340 auto 1937 Plymouth PT50 1969 Dodge Dart Swinger 340 4 speed 2013 Ram laramie 2500 hemi 2008 Harley FLSTSB springer

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