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727 TF #1376492 01/26/13 06:48 PM 01/26/13 06:48 PM
Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: 54 N.Y. Tioga P PRZ OP member
PRZ OP member P Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: 54 N.Y. Tioga	Hey guys, I'm ready to replace my 727. It's in a 67 Coronet, 511 stroker 440-1 heads Ultimate 9"TC,etc. I just want to purchase a complete replacement, this is really just a street car.I know an aluminum drum is out, no transbrake either. Any opinions on where to purchase and what to buy?

Re: 727 TF [Re: PRZ] #1376493 01/26/13 07:39 PM 01/26/13 07:39 PM
Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 7,348 Mt.Vernon ,Ohio VernMotor master
VernMotor master Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 7,348 Mt.Vernon ,Ohio	http://coperacingtrans.com/

Re: 727 TF [Re: VernMotor] #1376494 01/26/13 08:05 PM 01/26/13 08:05 PM
Joined: Sep 2005 Posts: 1,551 baldwinsville new york A a493demon pro stock
a493demon pro stock A Joined: Sep 2005 Posts: 1,551 baldwinsville new york	x2

Re: 727 TF [Re: VernMotor] #1376495 01/26/13 08:05 PM 01/26/13 08:05 PM
Joined: Oct 2003 Posts: 7,506 Az Crizila master
Crizila master Joined: Oct 2003 Posts: 7,506 Az	Quote: http://coperacingtrans.com/ Fastest 300

Re: 727 TF [Re: Crizila] #1376496 01/26/13 08:11 PM 01/26/13 08:11 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 27,421 Balt. Md 3 383man Too Many Posts
383man Too Many Posts 3 Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 27,421 Balt. Md	I agree with Cope trannys's. If you are going to buy a trans and not build your own then buy from a reliable company that builds good race tranny's and Cope does build good tranny's. Ron Last edited by 383man; 01/27/13 02:38 PM.

Re: 727 TF [Re: 383man] #1376497 01/26/13 08:38 PM 01/26/13 08:38 PM
Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: 54 N.Y. Tioga P PRZ OP member
PRZ OP member P Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: 54 N.Y. Tioga	Thanks guys, I guess your all using them.lol What about A&A,any1 using them. I just looked @ Cope's site the pro race2 for $3150 is lookin like the right choice for me, any1 using that 1?

Re: 727 TF [Re: PRZ] #1376498 01/26/13 09:15 PM 01/26/13 09:15 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 9,999 Frostbitefalls MN (Rocky&Bullw... gregsdart master
gregsdart master Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 9,999 Frostbitefalls MN (Rocky&Bullw...	It would be a LOT cheaper to go through your present tranny if the core is good. You could have it rebuilt with an aftermarket steel or aluminum drum for less than $1500? If you need a lot of replacement parts, you are still way ahead of 3150. Last edited by gregsdart; 01/26/13 09:17 PM. 8..603 156 mph best, 2905 lbs 549, indy 572-13, alky

Re: 727 TF [Re: PRZ] #1376499 01/26/13 10:22 PM 01/26/13 10:22 PM
Joined: Aug 2008 Posts: 4,070 Mo. racerx master
racerx master Joined: Aug 2008 Posts: 4,070 Mo.	Quote: Thanks guys, I guess your all using them.lol What about A&A,any1 using them. I just looked @ Cope's site the pro race2 for $3150 is looking like the right choice for me, any1 using that 1? I'm not using his tranny,but i use his internal parts(brake,drum,sprag etc.)with good results

Re: 727 TF [Re: PRZ] #1376500 01/27/13 02:19 AM 01/27/13 02:19 AM
Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 43,176 Bend,OR USA C Cab_Burge I Win
Cab_Burge I Win C Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 43,176 Bend,OR USA	On your deal I would look at using a Mopar brand 2.77 low gear set and a steel drum I'm sure Cope can do that for you, I live west of the big muddy so I use Dave Smith at Pro Trans for all of my 727 tranny builds I can do them myself but he has all the little parts needed (thrust washers, snap rings and so on) to set the end play up correctly inside the tranny and a ton more knowledge on torqueflytes than I do so he gets my tranny work Mr.Cab Racing and winning with Mopars since 1964. (Old F--t, Huh)

Re: 727 TF [Re: gregsdart] #1376501 01/27/13 06:10 AM 01/27/13 06:10 AM
Joined: May 2008 Posts: 5,399 Aurora, Colorado 451Mopar master
451Mopar master Joined: May 2008 Posts: 5,399 Aurora, Colorado	Quote: It would be a LOT cheaper to go through your present tranny if the core is good. You could have it rebuilt with an aftermarket steel or aluminum drum for less than $1500? If you need a lot of replacement parts, you are still way ahead of 3150. I rebuilt mine and in the end I din't save very much money. Related thread: https://board.moparts.org/ubbthreads/show...page=0&vc=1 The ProRaceII is a full rollerized trans, with billet drums, gear, servo, new manual reverse VB, even a deep pan, plus a bunch more, and then there are associated assembly parts not even listed like the different thickness drum to pump bushings, selectable thickness output shaft snap ring, setting the clutch packs with selectable clutch retainer rings and/or different thickness kolene steels. If you price all the parts out you don't save a whole lot.

Re: 727 TF [Re: PRZ] #1376502 01/27/13 11:22 AM 01/27/13 11:22 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 16,925 NC 440Jim I Live Here
440Jim I Live Here Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 16,925 NC	Quote: Thanks guys, I guess your all using them.lol What about A&A,any1 using them. I just looked @ Cope's site the pro race2 for $3150 is lookin like the right choice for me, any1 using that 1? If you phone John Cope he will give you a good recommendation on which of his transmissions fits your application best. But, IMO, that ProRace II is more than you need for a street car. I am thinking the regular ProRace with the steel front drum upgrade would do the trick, $1,595+$535= $2,130. That saves you the expense of the roller bearing modifications.

Re: 727 TF [Re: 440Jim] #1376503 01/27/13 11:28 AM 01/27/13 11:28 AM
Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: 54 N.Y. Tioga P PRZ OP member
PRZ OP member P Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: 54 N.Y. Tioga	thanks for the input guys, i'll be givin them a call tom.

Re: 727 TF [Re: 451Mopar] #1376504 01/27/13 11:29 AM 01/27/13 11:29 AM
Joined: Nov 2009 Posts: 2,177 ill D dennismopar73 top fuel
dennismopar73 top fuel D Joined: Nov 2009 Posts: 2,177 ill	There are always up grades that some one could do to the 727 trans,, but the basic standard trans rebuild will work just fine! Attention to details when rebuilding is the key when it goes back together. There are several of us who have race cars, run deep into the 9 with just standard rebuilds, with small upgrades bolt in sprags,, and rear roller bearings which is both cheap to do! As stated , you can spend a lot , and get the same performance out of a stock unit.

Re: 727 TF [Re: PRZ] #1376505 01/27/13 01:09 PM 01/27/13 01:09 PM
Joined: Jul 2005 Posts: 1,301 Penna 7 70satelliteguy pro stock
70satelliteguy pro stock 7 Joined: Jul 2005 Posts: 1,301 Penna	"this is really just a street car." I really don't think you need the full race transmission. As stated a simple rebuild with a few selected modifications would do the trick for your application. That is unless you are into overkill and don't mind spending the money! Mike

Re: 727 TF [Re: PRZ] #1376506 01/27/13 01:22 PM 01/27/13 01:22 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 6,531 Jacksonville, FL Chris2581 master
Chris2581 master Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 6,531 Jacksonville, FL	FWIW.. We just use a standard 727 built with a Turbo Action "Tranz Box" rebuild kit.Works great,no problems. Nautilus Racing- We use Superformance gaskets and Turbo Action converters/products.

Re: 727 TF [Re: racerx] #1376507 01/27/13 02:44 PM 01/27/13 02:44 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 27,421 Balt. Md 3 383man Too Many Posts
383man Too Many Posts 3 Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 27,421 Balt. Md	Quote: Quote: Thanks guys, I guess your all using them.lol What about A&A,any1 using them. I just looked @ Cope's site the pro race2 for $3150 is looking like the right choice for me, any1 using that 1? I'm not using his tranny,but i use his internal parts(brake,drum,sprag etc.)with good results I dont use Cope tranny's either but thats because I build my own. But many people on here use them and I hear nothing but good about their work. As many have said for a mild street car you dont need a race trans so I would just tell them what you plan to use your car as and let them build what they think you need. I use stock Mopar clutches in my tranny's and my brother does also. Even when he was running high 8's in his Cuda we still used Mopar clutches and never had a failure. We have both been Mopar dealer techs for over 20 years so we have a nice stock of Mopar 727 clutches and steels. Ron Last edited by 383man; 01/27/13 02:50 PM.

Re: 727 TF [Re: VernMotor] #1376508 01/27/13 02:57 PM 01/27/13 02:57 PM
Joined: Feb 2003 Posts: 2,560 S.E. Michigan cl440 master
cl440 master Joined: Feb 2003 Posts: 2,560 S.E. Michigan	Quote: http://coperacingtrans.com/

Re: 727 TF [Re: 383man] #1376509 01/27/13 03:26 PM 01/27/13 03:26 PM
Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: 54 N.Y. Tioga P PRZ OP member
PRZ OP member P Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: 54 N.Y. Tioga	I do understand where you guys are coming from, but i don't think a 800HP 3500lb B-body is a MILD Street Car. I'm looking for something that could last for some duration.

Re: 727 TF [Re: PRZ] #1376510 01/27/13 03:59 PM 01/27/13 03:59 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 2,917 A shed in England Tig master
Tig master Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 2,917 A shed in England	Quote: I do understand where you guys are coming from, but i don't think a 800HP 3500lb B-body is a MILD Street Car. I'm looking for something that could last for some duration. See Sig. I stripped down the 727 in the Challenger last year. After 4 seasons (70ish passes a year) it was hardly worn, the front clutch pack was 9 thou looser than when rebuilt (I kept notes). Still within the limits, it didn't need a rebuild but did it anyway since it was apart. It's built with stuff from CRT, the usual ware, Kolenes, reds, billet servo's, steel front 5 pinion planetary, bolt in sprag, Griner LBA MVB, oiling mods etc. Speak to John, he'll keep you right, they're easy enough to build yourself too. HTH's OH and a billet steel front drum. Last edited by Tig; 01/27/13 04:05 PM. '74 Challenger..9.46 @ 145.9 1/4, 6.001 @ 118 1/8 so far. 4023lb !!! # N/A, Marsh performance 655ci, Indy Maxx, T/R, Indy 600-13 X's, Street legal, pump gas, full interior, Cal-Tracs, mufflers, 3:73's and real 10.5 radials. 9.51 @ 142.4 1/4, 6.003 @ 114 1/8 with our old mule KB, 572-13, 580 wedge. RHD '68 Barracuda Fastback 323ci street/strip. Best ET 13.88 @ 99.03

Re: 727 TF [Re: PRZ] #1376511 01/27/13 04:06 PM 01/27/13 04:06 PM
Joined: Jan 2006 Posts: 587 IL . usa C cjs69mope mopar
cjs69mope mopar C Joined: Jan 2006 Posts: 587 IL . usa	Get the 727 hand book Cope helped write it. I used it and all the parts from cope to build a nice street strip trans. Cope rebuild kit red alto clutches and koleen steels. billet servos tf2 or manual valve body 4.2 lever with heavy duty strut red lined bands steel planetary pump modifications done at home per the hand book. 6000 Rpm Governor if using auto shift . put the the money into the parts and build yourself 727 easy to do. this is what i did and then there is my friend has a bone stock trans behind a blown 440 with just a manual valve body for 200 bucks and the trans has held up with street and strip driving so far 10 plus years. a good trans to start with is key . 1969 Dodge Charger 1969 Dodge Superbee

Re: 727 TF [Re: cjs69mope] #1376512 01/27/13 04:12 PM 01/27/13 04:12 PM
Joined: May 2008 Posts: 5,399 Aurora, Colorado 451Mopar master
451Mopar master Joined: May 2008 Posts: 5,399 Aurora, Colorado	When I built my trans I planned to use the billet front drum and ultimate sprag. The unexpected expense was the billet front gear. When I pulled the trans apart, several if the gear splines fell out. This was just from pushing a 4,150# Charger into the high 11's.

Re: 727 TF [Re: PRZ] #1376513 01/27/13 05:24 PM 01/27/13 05:24 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 27,421 Balt. Md 3 383man Too Many Posts
383man Too Many Posts 3 Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 27,421 Balt. Md	Quote: I do understand where you guys are coming from, but i don't think a 800HP 3500lb B-body is a MILD Street Car. I'm looking for something that could last for some duration. Sorry I missunderstood. But Cope can build whatever you need. Ron

Re: 727 TF [Re: 383man] #1376514 01/27/13 05:36 PM 01/27/13 05:36 PM
Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: 54 N.Y. Tioga P PRZ OP member
PRZ OP member P Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: 54 N.Y. Tioga	hey man ,no need to be sorry. It's all good

Re: 727 TF [Re: PRZ] #1376515 01/27/13 06:17 PM 01/27/13 06:17 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 2,151 Fancy Farm Ky W wyoming top fuel
wyoming top fuel W Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 2,151 Fancy Farm Ky	Cope, Dave Smith at Pro Trans, A&A Alision, hard to go wrongt with any of them, they all have an excellent rep for a reason

Re: 727 TF [Re: VernMotor] #1376516 01/27/13 06:45 PM 01/27/13 06:45 PM
Joined: Sep 2003 Posts: 3,426 weymouth,mass. M meepmeep70 master
meepmeep70 master M Joined: Sep 2003 Posts: 3,426 weymouth,mass.	Quote: http://coperacingtrans.com/ absolutely. John is the BEST guy for your trans needs,he helped me huge! needed a tranny asap to install before a big cruise i was going to,he built and had my new tranny in my hands exactly like ha said,and my tranny performs flawlessly.and customer service is the best,you will most likly only talk to john

Re: 727 TF [Re: meepmeep70] #1376517 01/27/13 09:06 PM 01/27/13 09:06 PM
Joined: Sep 2006 Posts: 1,443 central ohio N nss guy pro stock
nss guy pro stock N Joined: Sep 2006 Posts: 1,443 central ohio	A&A Transmission Can't go wrong with the leading "manufacturer" of aftermarket transmission parts.

Re: 727 TF [Re: nss guy] #1376518 01/27/13 10:48 PM 01/27/13 10:48 PM
Joined: Mar 2007 Posts: 1,608 Rudolph, Ohio moparguy7074 top fuel
moparguy7074 top fuel Joined: Mar 2007 Posts: 1,608 Rudolph, Ohio	Quote: A&A Transmission Can't go wrong with the leading "manufacturer" of aftermarket transmission parts. Doesn't CRT buy most of the parts they sell from A&A?

Re: 727 TF [Re: moparguy7074] #1376519 01/27/13 11:14 PM 01/27/13 11:14 PM
Joined: Mar 2004 Posts: 2,475 SW Ohio C cgall top fuel
cgall top fuel C Joined: Mar 2004 Posts: 2,475 SW Ohio	Find a local builder thru your car club or racers in the area. I used to build my own until a guy pointed out to me some things I didn't do correctly. He has built my last 2 and the most I have spent is $1600.

Re: 727 TF [Re: cjs69mope] #1376520 01/28/13 02:38 PM 01/28/13 02:38 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 2,771 Cedar Lake IN CRT master
CRT master Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 2,771 Cedar Lake IN	Quote: Get the 727 hand book Cope helped write it. I used it and all the parts from cope to build a nice street strip trans. Cope rebuild kit red alto clutches and koleen steels. billet servos tf2 or manual valve body 4.2 lever with heavy duty strut red lined bands steel planetary pump modifications done at home per the hand book. 6000 Rpm Governor if using auto shift . put the the money into the parts and build yourself 727 easy to do. this is what i did and then there is my friend has a bone stock trans behind a blown 440 with just a manual valve body for 200 bucks and the trans has held up with street and strip driving so far 10 plus years. a good trans to start with is key . Thanks for the kutos, But I did NOT help wright the 727 HandBook, Carl Munroe is the author.

Re: 727 TF [Re: moparguy7074] #1376521 01/28/13 02:54 PM 01/28/13 02:54 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 2,771 Cedar Lake IN CRT master
CRT master Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 2,771 Cedar Lake IN	Quote: Doesn't CRT buy most of the parts they sell from A&A? I do sell some A&A parts, I would not say MOST, not even close. I have been maken my own parts in house for years. My son Johnny on the mill.

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