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This sucks... no oil flow to heads #1376476 01/26/13 06:42 PM 01/26/13 06:42 PM
Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 8,828 Houston, Tx hemi68charger OP master
hemi68charger OP master Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 8,828 Houston, Tx	Hey gang.. I'm helping a buddy fire up his '71 440 for the 1st time. As a preparation, we're priming the motor... Welllllllllllll, We're not getting any oil to the heads via the pedastals to the rocker arm shafts. We have oil and pressure to the oil pressure sending unit and I can see it oozing along the back the lifer valley... It is my understanding there are plugs in the back of the block that block off the passages? If not installed, the oil flows withing the block, but dumps back down into the oil pan? Hence not going up to the heads? We took off the rocker arm assemble/shaft and can't see ANYTHING coming out of the 4 holes........ T Last edited by hemi68charger; 01/26/13 07:06 PM. Troy Houston Mopar Connection Club '69 Charger Daytona 440 - auto - 4.10 Dana (now with 426 hemi) '69 Charger 500 440 - 4speed - 3.54 Dana '70 Road Runner 383 - 4speed - a/c (now with 440)

Re: This sucks... oil issurs to head [Re: hemi68charger] #1376477 01/26/13 06:44 PM 01/26/13 06:44 PM
Joined: Sep 2007 Posts: 14,889 up yours Supercuda About to go away
Supercuda About to go away Joined: Sep 2007 Posts: 14,889 up yours	You have to rotate the crank while prelubing it so the passageways int he cam journal will line up with the passageways drilled in the block that feed the heads. This alignment only occurs once per side for every two crank revolutions. Oh, only one of the two "holes" gets oiled per head, the other hole is there so that the head can work on either side of the block. Last edited by Supercuda; 01/26/13 06:45 PM. They say there are no such thing as a stupid question. They say there is always the exception that proves the rule. Don't be the exception.

Re: This sucks... oil issurs to head [Re: Supercuda] #1376478 01/26/13 07:06 PM 01/26/13 07:06 PM
Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 8,828 Houston, Tx hemi68charger OP master
hemi68charger OP master Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 8,828 Houston, Tx	Quote: You have to rotate the crank while prelubing it so the passageways int he cam journal will line up with the passageways drilled in the block that feed the heads. This alignment only occurs once per side for every two crank revolutions. Oh, only one of the two "holes" gets oiled per head, the other hole is there so that the head can work on either side of the block. You have to rotate the crank while using the drill to rotate the pump at the same time? mmmmmmmm ? Never heard of that? Troy Houston Mopar Connection Club '69 Charger Daytona 440 - auto - 4.10 Dana (now with 426 hemi) '69 Charger 500 440 - 4speed - 3.54 Dana '70 Road Runner 383 - 4speed - a/c (now with 440)

Re: This sucks... oil issurs to head [Re: hemi68charger] #1376479 01/26/13 07:08 PM 01/26/13 07:08 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 32,940 Grand Prairie,Texas stumpy I Win
stumpy I Win Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 32,940 Grand Prairie,Texas	That is the way to get oil to the rockers. "Try it,you'll like it" as the old commercial says.

Re: This sucks... oil issurs to head [Re: hemi68charger] #1376480 01/26/13 07:09 PM 01/26/13 07:09 PM
Joined: Sep 2007 Posts: 14,889 up yours Supercuda About to go away
Supercuda About to go away Joined: Sep 2007 Posts: 14,889 up yours	Quote: You have to rotate the crank while using the drill to rotate the pump at the same time? mmmmmmmm ? Never heard of that? Ah, I remember my first big block rebuild, enjoy it. They say there are no such thing as a stupid question. They say there is always the exception that proves the rule. Don't be the exception.

Re: This sucks... oil issurs to head [Re: Supercuda] #1376481 01/26/13 07:12 PM 01/26/13 07:12 PM
Joined: Jul 2004 Posts: 1,101 Retired now in Tennessee Chi_Town_Runner super stock
Chi_Town_Runner super stock Joined: Jul 2004 Posts: 1,101 Retired now in Tennessee	And ..... you'll only get oil to one side at a time. Keep turning the crank to lube the other side. Frank edit! Ahh .. Supercuda already said that. Last edited by Chi_Town_Runner; 01/26/13 07:14 PM. Remember - 2 wrongs don't make a right - but 3 rights make a left!

Re: This sucks... oil issurs to head [Re: Chi_Town_Runner] #1376482 01/26/13 07:14 PM 01/26/13 07:14 PM
Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 8,828 Houston, Tx hemi68charger OP master
hemi68charger OP master Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 8,828 Houston, Tx	I'm not getting oil to either of the four possible holes on the rocker arm pedestal.. I've called my friend back and will......... Troy Houston Mopar Connection Club '69 Charger Daytona 440 - auto - 4.10 Dana (now with 426 hemi) '69 Charger 500 440 - 4speed - 3.54 Dana '70 Road Runner 383 - 4speed - a/c (now with 440)

Re: This sucks... no oil flow to heads [Re: hemi68charger] #1376483 01/26/13 07:16 PM 01/26/13 07:16 PM
Joined: Aug 2005 Posts: 11,543 chicagoland,usa B buildanother I Live Here
buildanother I Live Here B Joined: Aug 2005 Posts: 11,543 chicagoland,usa	Put the shafts back on first, or you'll be watching oil drip off of the ceiling for a bit.

Re: This sucks... no oil flow to heads [Re: buildanother] #1376484 01/26/13 07:26 PM 01/26/13 07:26 PM
Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 8,828 Houston, Tx hemi68charger OP master
hemi68charger OP master Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 8,828 Houston, Tx	Quote: Put the shafts back on first, or you'll be watching oil drip off of the ceiling for a bit. Hahahaha... Yes, well, I put the bolts in..... But, I will go back and install the shafts....... Hopefully it is the lack of rotating the crank that's lead to our misdiagnoses.. I would hate to pull the motor. I have a remote starter, so we'll crank as we spin the oil pump.... Cheers, Troy Houston Mopar Connection Club '69 Charger Daytona 440 - auto - 4.10 Dana (now with 426 hemi) '69 Charger 500 440 - 4speed - 3.54 Dana '70 Road Runner 383 - 4speed - a/c (now with 440)

Re: This sucks... oil issurs to head [Re: hemi68charger] #1376485 01/26/13 07:42 PM 01/26/13 07:42 PM
Joined: Jul 2004 Posts: 1,101 Retired now in Tennessee Chi_Town_Runner super stock
Chi_Town_Runner super stock Joined: Jul 2004 Posts: 1,101 Retired now in Tennessee	Quote: I'm not getting oil to either of the four possible holes on the rocker arm pedestal.. The rocker assembly only gets oiled from the #4 camshaft bearing to both sides. Frank Remember - 2 wrongs don't make a right - but 3 rights make a left!

Re: This sucks... oil issurs to head [Re: Chi_Town_Runner] #1376486 01/26/13 07:54 PM 01/26/13 07:54 PM
Joined: Jul 2004 Posts: 1,101 Retired now in Tennessee Chi_Town_Runner super stock
Chi_Town_Runner super stock Joined: Jul 2004 Posts: 1,101 Retired now in Tennessee	This may help. [image][/image] Frank Remember - 2 wrongs don't make a right - but 3 rights make a left!

Re: This sucks... no oil flow to heads [Re: hemi68charger] #1376487 01/26/13 08:00 PM 01/26/13 08:00 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 292 Atlanta DartGTX enthusiast
DartGTX enthusiast Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 292 Atlanta	If you swapped heads side to side you may have a carbon build up on 1 or both heads. There are 2 oil feed holes. 1 is deadheaded and can get sludge/carbon buildup. I know from experience.......Good luck

Re: This sucks... no oil flow to heads [Re: DartGTX] #1376488 01/26/13 08:27 PM 01/26/13 08:27 PM
Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 8,828 Houston, Tx hemi68charger OP master
hemi68charger OP master Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 8,828 Houston, Tx	By the illustration, I wouldn't have come to a conclusion to rotate the crank and I couldn't find anything in the service manual to state this fact of rotating the crank. The motor is complete fresh, no carbon build up here... BUT, Success........ I used my remote starter connected to the starter relay switch and cranked the motor will Hoss spun the pump priming rod... Voila !! It worked... Oil oozing all over the rear pedastals for the rocker shafts... Soooooooo, all's good in the world. I'll button it up and press forward with the initial start up ( probably next weekend now ). Thanks guys.. Troy Houston Mopar Connection Club '69 Charger Daytona 440 - auto - 4.10 Dana (now with 426 hemi) '69 Charger 500 440 - 4speed - 3.54 Dana '70 Road Runner 383 - 4speed - a/c (now with 440)

Re: This sucks... no oil flow to heads [Re: hemi68charger] #1376489 01/26/13 10:25 PM 01/26/13 10:25 PM
Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 36,041 Lincoln Nebraska R RapidRobert Circle Track
RapidRobert Circle Track R Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 36,041 Lincoln Nebraska	next time with the timing chain dot to dot (6 & 12 o'clock) the timing marks will be at TDC & #6 cyl is firing. Prime it at that point & the pass head will oil then turn the crank back 3/4 turn (till the rotor is under the #8 cap terminal) & the DR head is oiling at that point. That way you're doing the least amount of hand turning before fireup which'll wipe the goop off of the cam lobes live every 24 hour block of time like it's your last day on earth

Re: This sucks... no oil flow to heads [Re: hemi68charger] #1376490 01/27/13 12:31 AM 01/27/13 12:31 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 31,044 Oregon A AndyF I Win
AndyF I Win A Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 31,044 Oregon	You don't have to rotate the crank, you just have to have the camshaft in the correct locations. I set the cam to oil the passenger side, then rotate the crankshaft 450 degrees and oil the driver side.

Re: This sucks... no oil flow to heads [Re: AndyF] #1376491 01/27/13 02:38 AM 01/27/13 02:38 AM
Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 43,206 Bend,OR USA C Cab_Burge I Win
Cab_Burge I Win C Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 43,206 Bend,OR USA	Quote: You don't have to rotate the crank, you just have to have the camshaft in the correct locations. I set the cam to oil the passenger side, then rotate the crankshaft 450 degrees and oil the driver side. I have all of my cams grooved on the #4 journal now so the rockers oil full time, that helps cool the valve springs and lubricates the rockers and pushrods full time, I do put a .040 restrictor in the block oil passages at the same time to limit the amount of oil to the rockers so I don't flood the heads Mr.Cab Racing and winning with Mopars since 1964. (Old F--t, Huh)

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