Re: Fire suits for racing?
[Re: Bigcube]
#13747
12/15/04 06:08 PM
12/15/04 06:08 PM
|
Anonymous
Unregistered
|
Anonymous
Unregistered
|
Quote:
Did it change within the past few years??? It used to be in the 10's needed it and 11's didn't. I've been faster than 10.99 for a while, I must not have realized it changed I think it's a good idea that everybody wear one, it's for your own good anyway.
I think it's been that way since I started racing (going into season #5).
I hope Santa brings me a jacket for Christmas.
|
|
|
Re: Fire suits for racing?
[Re: Gearhead383]
#13748
12/15/04 09:06 PM
12/15/04 09:06 PM
|
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 1,069 Down South
CaptNemo
super gas
|
super gas
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 1,069
Down South
|
Quote:
Quote:
Normally a single layer jacket is required for car's faster than 11.0 (1/4 mile).
Did they change the rules for 2005 or is this an IHRA requirment? The rule was a single layered jacket started at 11.99 for NHRA tracks. Just curious.
I goofed up and pressed the "0" key instead of the "9" I was rushed and didn't proofread before I hit the "GO" button.
|
|
|
Re: Fire suits for racing?
[Re: CaptNemo]
#13749
12/15/04 09:58 PM
12/15/04 09:58 PM
|
Joined: Feb 2004
Posts: 6,257 acworth / N. georgia - south e...
cheapstreetdustr
master
|
master
Joined: Feb 2004
Posts: 6,257
acworth / N. georgia - south e...
|
simpson is marketing a new fire proof suit.
i think he sold his company (simpson safty)
and it will be out under a different name..
but its the latest space age stuff real light and breathable.. but 3 times more retardant time wise.
ive only seen it in black though...
cant think of the name...of it..
if its not a million bucks ill be buying it...
i was a fireman for 6 years..
fires are for the BBQ grill after the racing is over....thank you...
cheap..
365" Iron J heads,,3480lbs best 1.39 60ft on SS springs.10.54,124 mph ...6.67 1/8th et.average 60fts 1.46 w/ small cam &.063 no2 pill tagged & insured [image][/image]
|
|
|
Re: Fire suits for racing?
[Re: sixpack4spd]
#13751
12/16/04 01:59 AM
12/16/04 01:59 AM
|
Joined: Aug 2004
Posts: 3,310 Walnut Creek, CA
blown340
master
|
master
Joined: Aug 2004
Posts: 3,310
Walnut Creek, CA
|
alright, I"m not a drag racer, but I did put a formula ford into the wall at sears point alot of years ago. I had a 5 layer nomex suit on. When the car hit the wall (@90+) it burst into flames and I was stuck in the car. It took about 30 seconds before the track crew had extinguishers on it and put it out. (I was lucky where it stopped) I escaped with a ruined race suit, a wrecked car, a concussion, but no serious burns. Thats why you wear a race suit. Just think if you loop your drag car at 100mph and put it into the guardrail fuel cell first? I even wear my suit now for normal SCCA track days in my street cars. just my .02.. later, -Jon
70 challenger convertible. 340/5 speed. blown, intercooled, efi, blah blah blah
71 valiant scamp 318/A833OD/AC/PS
00 dakota RC 4.7L 5 spd autoX'r. SRT10/T56 swap in process
73 W200 Power wagon, PTO winch, 4 spd
|
|
|
Re: Fire suits for racing?
[Re: blown340]
#13752
12/16/04 08:54 AM
12/16/04 08:54 AM
|
Joined: Jan 2004
Posts: 4,866 North of Detroit
HemiDart68
master
|
master
Joined: Jan 2004
Posts: 4,866
North of Detroit
|
To me personally getting burned scares me more than anything. If i had to make a choice between fire suit or seat belts in a race car, id probably choose the fire suit and leave the belts out.
In God we trust, all others pay cash.
www.lightnens.com (Home of the world's fastest Paint Job)
|
|
|
Re: Fire suits for racing?
[Re: CokeBottleKid]
#13754
12/22/04 11:03 AM
12/22/04 11:03 AM
|
Joined: Jun 2003
Posts: 52,972 Romeo MI
MR_P_BODY
Master
|
Master
Joined: Jun 2003
Posts: 52,972
Romeo MI
|
Quote:
so someone want to break down what the different specs are and what is required for what time? Also personal experiences with brands ?
On the Deist page for suits it states that a 2 layer suit is 200% more fire protection than a single layer. I just ordered up a new 2 layer suit, jacket and pants from Captnemo, with some lettering on it, great price
|
|
|
Re: Fire suits for racing?
[Re: CokeBottleKid]
#13755
12/22/04 01:30 PM
12/22/04 01:30 PM
|
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 1,069 Down South
CaptNemo
super gas
|
super gas
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 1,069
Down South
|
Quote:
so someone want to break down what the different specs are and what is required for what time? Also personal experiences with brands ?
Helmets must meet Snell SA 90 or higher ( I am told that the minimum will be SA 95 soon ) The Snell SA designation differs from the standard motorcycle spec helmet, in that it has fire retarant inner materials, where as the M/C helmets do not.
If you have a roll bar or cage, harnesses meeting SFI 16.1 must be used, regardless of ET.
From 11.99 to 10.00 a single layer Jacket meeting SFI 3.2A/1
From 9.99 to 7.50 a two layer Jacket & Pants meeting SFI 3.2A/5, neck collar Meeting SFI 3.3, A window net meeting SFI 27.1, Gloves meeting 3.3/1 WITH A LAYER OF NOMEX UNDER THE LEATHER PALM ARE REQUIRED. THere are some gloves out there that are single layer, but do not continue that layer under the palm. BE sure you get NHRA Approved Gloves.
At that ET level there is no requirement for shoes, but they should be of leather construction with no nylon or other flamable / melting materials. I recommend a minumum of SFI 3.3/5 Shoes, since you feet are near the firewall. Above 150 MPH a parachute is required, but recommended above 135 MPH
Ok, I admit that I'm a little biased on my choice, but I haven't seen anything from Deist that "I didn't like" or would not sell with a clear conscious. Meaning that "It meets the minimum of the spec, but I wouldn't want to stress test it".
Please don't the price tag be the only consideration in a purchase of safety equipment. It only takes one failure for somthing to become "Permanent".
HTH .
|
|
|
Re: Fire suits for racing?
[Re: CaptNemo]
#13756
12/22/04 02:17 PM
12/22/04 02:17 PM
|
Anonymous
Unregistered
|
Anonymous
Unregistered
|
Anybody have any take on the G force stuff Jegs sells How does it compare and is it worth buying? I am looking at their multi layer stuff. I am going to buy the whole deal Jacket gloves pants shoes and neck support. Also who makes the best in Protection/comfort gloves? Thanks
|
|
|
Re: Fire suits for racing?
[Re: Bigcube]
#13760
12/23/04 09:10 AM
12/23/04 09:10 AM
|
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 8,180 Detroit, MI
CokeBottleKid
master
|
master
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 8,180
Detroit, MI
|
BTW I was browsing Simpsons site and they offer suits in Carbon X, it was only maybe 15% more or something (it was like 140$ more then the other /20s... which they had priced at 950$ ). Anyone know if mopar makes /15 suits? I've seen /3's for sale here and there. Well now that I think of it they would probably be over-priced and poor quality .
|
|
|
Re: Fire suits for racing?
[Re: CokeBottleKid]
#13761
12/23/04 10:33 AM
12/23/04 10:33 AM
|
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 1,069 Down South
CaptNemo
super gas
|
super gas
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 1,069
Down South
|
Quote:
so when is a /15 or /20 suit required? How about a 3.2a/3? Is that the middle child of safety clothing?
NHRA doesn't use a /3 spec on suits. It jumps from /1 for single layer to /5 two layer.
The /15 suits are for TAD, TF dragsters and any cars in the 9.99 to 7.50 ET Range that are front engine open cars or closed cars with out the OEM steel firewall, super or turbocharged or nitrous injected. Also, any car with an automatic trans in the diver's compartment with out a tunnel or floor ov er the trans. You'll also need /5 two layer gloves and shoes with the /15 suit.
The /20 suits are for the FC and TAFC cars. They also use the long gauntlet gloves and tall boots.
If the Haze has the OEM Steel firewall, the minimum is a /5 suit, if the firewal has been cut out, you'll need the /15.
HTH
.
|
|
|
Re: Fire suits for racing?
[Re: CaptNemo]
#13762
12/23/04 11:16 AM
12/23/04 11:16 AM
|
Joined: Apr 2004
Posts: 976 Woodstock , Georgia
Mopar_racer_99
super stock
|
super stock
Joined: Apr 2004
Posts: 976
Woodstock , Georgia
|
I have been running the g force stuff for long time and be honest I am glad I always wore more that what trule book says . In 93 at southern nationals my car turned into a fireball in traps trans blew was hospitalized 3 days with smoke inhalation but only thing burnt was the suit and my racing shoes.......Being over cautious on safety equipment isnt a bad idea when means you get come home with all you in one piece
8.72 @ 154.6 ,68 Charger 578ci 440-1s, 3000# w/drvr, 2150 den/alt NA
|
|
|
Re: Fire suits for racing?
[Re: Mopar_racer_99]
#13763
12/23/04 09:11 PM
12/23/04 09:11 PM
|
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 995 Boynton Beach, Fl
Rapid588
super stock
|
super stock
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 995
Boynton Beach, Fl
|
At the World Street Car Nationals in Orlando this October a young Elliot Thompson, #1 low qualifier in Heavy Street with his turbo charged Camaro had a transmission related failure as soon as he launched off the transbrake (fire that BigCube mentioned....his competitor took his time staging after Elliot was already up on his converter)......if you look real close you will notice the initial HUGE.....SCAREY.....fireball inside his car, the milliseconds after this pic the rest of the car was completely engulfed in a giant ball of flame (there were a lot of Moparts members there that saw this)
Elliot hit the firebottle but he said he doesn't remember too much of it, except he had a hard time trying to get out with his helmet on (there was no impact). His father was the first to the car and helped him get out.....
Some of the observations i made were that the track personel ran right by the rear of his car without turning off his battery switch (that is the first thing that should have been done.....that's why it's there), 2nd thing is when he was being pulled out i noticed he had a FULL helmet on WITH a face shield on it that was pulled down correctly....it was completly blackened but intact and probably saved him from getting badly burned on his face and also kept him from breathing raw fire...... he did have smoke inhalation and burns on his wrists from the fire going up around his gloves and under his jacket that he did go to the hospital to get treated.....it could have been much worse.
This was not one of those Nitrous explosions that we have all seen before, but was a mishap that could happen to ANY car.........keep in mind that this car had a stock steel firewall and floor......then look closely again at the fireball inside of this car and decide your comfort/safety level.....and being inside with jeans, a 1 layer jacket, open helmet and no gloves.
Be safe guy's and gals
Randy
93 Dodge Stealth - Supercharged 526ci Hemi 93 Dodge Daytona Top Sportsman injected 588 Hemi - plus a lil NOS 67 Hemi GTX (may the 4speed with you!)
|
|
|
Re: Fire suits for racing?
[Re: CaptNemo]
#13765
12/23/04 11:01 PM
12/23/04 11:01 PM
|
Joined: Mar 2003
Posts: 6,334 Heaven
EvilB1Dart
master
|
master
Joined: Mar 2003
Posts: 6,334
Heaven
|
Just get the ABSOLUTE safest suit and fire system you can afford or this (link below) can happen to you. SAFETY is ALWAYS paramount no matter what! I still think ALL cars NO MATTER how fast or if power adders are used or not......THEY ALL SHOULD HAVE A FIRE SYSTEM AND REQUIRE AT MINIMUM A 2-piece Nomex layer suit with all the other dressings.
Maybe this WILL change minds............the fire suit saved him as did the track people. In this case it was too late to deploy the fire system, so the fire suit had to do its job 110%.
http://206.61.16.155/_vid/piedmont/2004/powerjam/piedmont-fire.mpg
Wes
"Any fool can know. The point is to understand"
- A. Einstein
|
|
|
|
|