Previous Thread
Next Thread
Print Thread
Page 1 of 2 1 2
273 hi-po has problems, please help.... #1374238
01/22/13 01:49 PM
01/22/13 01:49 PM
Joined: Jul 2009
Posts: 209
Arkansas
beatupcuda Offline OP
enthusiast
beatupcuda  Offline OP
enthusiast

Joined: Jul 2009
Posts: 209
Arkansas
If anyone can provide me with some possible fixes for my 1966 273, Hi-Po 4 bbl. I will be happy to call evenings. The engine has probs, would prefer to discuss on phone as it will be quite lengthy.

Engine was rebuilt a few thousand miles ago (so i was told) and the guy said he installed a Hyd cam vs the original solid, but "did not replace the adj rockers." Which being a shadetree mech, I saw no prob, except harder to adjust properly. The engine has a new Edelbrock 500, on the stock intake. When you first start it, the engine rocks like it's going to come out of it's mounts, like a terrible vacumm leak, then once it begins to warm up, the rock & roll settles down, to acceptable but not smooth as it should be. it definitely has a peppy cam, the guy said a little over stock. SO, that being said, does the ratio of the solid adj rockers have anything to do with the prob. ?? It is almost like the lifters are adj too tight, but then it gets better, as it warms up. Timing on 12 before, New electronic dist & ign. carb is NEW and adjusted correctly. I have adj the rockers from 1/4 turn to 1/2 turn, never gone the full turn. Once the engine reaches temp, it runs fine, but still a lil rockin.

thanks


68 Hemi 4 speed Cuda,,,,building ?
Re: 273 hi-po has problems, please help.... [Re: beatupcuda] #1374239
01/22/13 03:35 PM
01/22/13 03:35 PM
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 16,376
D
dogdays Offline
I Live Here
dogdays  Offline
I Live Here
D

Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 16,376
The rocker ratio is the same, nominally 1.5. Have you checked and double-checked the firing order?
Do it first, then:
If you have an inductive timing light, idle the engine and put the inductive clamp on each plug wire. An even series of flashes means that plug is firing. Skipping flashes or no flashes means that plug isn't.
R.

Re: 273 hi-po has problems, please help.... [Re: dogdays] #1374240
01/22/13 03:45 PM
01/22/13 03:45 PM
Joined: Jul 2009
Posts: 209
Arkansas
beatupcuda Offline OP
enthusiast
beatupcuda  Offline OP
enthusiast

Joined: Jul 2009
Posts: 209
Arkansas
Dogdays, cars runs great after warms up, but still idles a little rough still, it is NOT missing.
thanks


68 Hemi 4 speed Cuda,,,,building ?
Re: 273 hi-po has problems, please help.... [Re: beatupcuda] #1374241
01/22/13 03:51 PM
01/22/13 03:51 PM
Joined: Jun 2004
Posts: 6,780
Alabama
Mopar-Al Offline
master
Mopar-Al  Offline
master

Joined: Jun 2004
Posts: 6,780
Alabama
Does your engine have a choke? Is the choke sticking? Are you sure the carb is adjusted right?

Re: 273 hi-po has problems, please help.... [Re: Mopar-Al] #1374242
01/22/13 03:55 PM
01/22/13 03:55 PM
Joined: Feb 2006
Posts: 2,379
MD
Kevins493 Offline
top fuel
Kevins493  Offline
top fuel

Joined: Feb 2006
Posts: 2,379
MD
I had that problem once. Detonation had broke the piston which blew the porcelain and tip out of the plug and bent the ground strap.. When it was cold it would run like crap but when it got heat in it it would run like a diesel. Only slowed down maybe a tenth.

Re: 273 hi-po has problems, please help.... [Re: beatupcuda] #1374243
01/22/13 03:59 PM
01/22/13 03:59 PM
Joined: Jun 2003
Posts: 52,972
Romeo MI
MR_P_BODY Offline
Master
MR_P_BODY  Offline
Master

Joined: Jun 2003
Posts: 52,972
Romeo MI
I would say you have a carb issue... more than likely
its running lean on the warm up.. I will guess its
running at a lower than normal rpm when cold(just
staying running) and would be a choke issue

Re: 273 hi-po has problems, please help.... [Re: Kevins493] #1374244
01/22/13 04:00 PM
01/22/13 04:00 PM
Joined: Jul 2009
Posts: 209
Arkansas
beatupcuda Offline OP
enthusiast
beatupcuda  Offline OP
enthusiast

Joined: Jul 2009
Posts: 209
Arkansas
Have had plugs out, checked cap, wires, rockers, pushrods, timing, carb is new, disassembled anyway, adjusted perfect, choke works fine, cars runs GREAT after warmed up, but still has minor shake, not a miss, like a vacumm leak. sprayed intake & carb no change, checked all bolts..... so that's why i am here,,,,,,,
Start car, idles w/choke at 12-1500, no miss no pop, nothing except shaking until warm.....


68 Hemi 4 speed Cuda,,,,building ?
Re: 273 hi-po has problems, please help.... [Re: beatupcuda] #1374245
01/22/13 04:09 PM
01/22/13 04:09 PM
Joined: Jun 2003
Posts: 52,972
Romeo MI
MR_P_BODY Offline
Master
MR_P_BODY  Offline
Master

Joined: Jun 2003
Posts: 52,972
Romeo MI
Quote:

Have had plugs out, checked cap, wires, rockers, pushrods, timing, carb is new, disassembled anyway, adjusted perfect, choke works fine, cars runs GREAT after warmed up, but still has minor shake, not a miss, like a vacumm leak. sprayed intake & carb no change, checked all bolts..... so that's why i am here,,,,,,,
Start car, idles w/choke at 12-1500, no miss no pop, nothing except shaking until warm.....




How did you adjust the choke door when it was cold..
there is a spec(usually a drill size) and that will
be a tad lean... then once the door is set then you
set the cold idle rpm on the choke cam

Re: 273 hi-po has problems, please help.... [Re: MR_P_BODY] #1374246
01/22/13 04:09 PM
01/22/13 04:09 PM
Joined: Aug 2003
Posts: 43,190
Bend,OR USA
C
Cab_Burge Offline
I Win
Cab_Burge  Offline
I Win
C

Joined: Aug 2003
Posts: 43,190
Bend,OR USA
Quote:

I would say you have a carb issue... more than likely
its running lean on the warm up.. I will guess its
running at a lower than normal rpm when cold(just
staying running) and would be a choke issue



I agree on the choke issue but I have seen the opposite with chokes, there adjusted to rich, when their adjusted lean they die and won't stay running, at least it is that way west of the big muddy OP, you say you changed the carb or it doesn't have the original carb. on it still look at the choke adjustment, even if it has the original carb. on it look at the choke adjustment When cold you should see the choke plate almost closed to the divider in between the front and back barrel, it should not be closed all the way and tight Look at it with the air cleaner off, open the throttle about a 1/4 of the way to full throttle and let it close, look at the choke plate then . Start the car up and see if the choke pull off is pulling the choke blade open some when running or if it is not doing anything Let us know what you find


Mr.Cab Racing and winning with Mopars since 1964. (Old F--t, Huh)
Re: 273 hi-po has problems, please help.... [Re: beatupcuda] #1374247
01/22/13 05:54 PM
01/22/13 05:54 PM
Joined: Jan 2005
Posts: 1,260
Las Vegas NV
moparmanjames Offline
pro stock
moparmanjames  Offline
pro stock

Joined: Jan 2005
Posts: 1,260
Las Vegas NV
Quote:

Have had plugs out, checked cap, wires, rockers, pushrods, timing, carb is new, disassembled anyway, adjusted perfect, choke works fine, cars runs GREAT after warmed up, but still has minor shake, not a miss, like a vacumm leak. sprayed intake & carb no change, checked all bolts..... so that's why i am here,,,,,,,
Start car, idles w/choke at 12-1500, no miss no pop, nothing except shaking until warm.....




How are you adjusting the rockers? I would back them off to zero lash if not say about 10 thousanths lash and see if it stops shaking at warm up, it might just be that some of the lifters are holding the valves open during warm up while the oil is thick and then they are bleeding down when the oil warms up.

Re: 273 hi-po has problems, please help.... [Re: beatupcuda] #1374248
01/22/13 06:04 PM
01/22/13 06:04 PM
Joined: Jun 2003
Posts: 52,972
Romeo MI
MR_P_BODY Offline
Master
MR_P_BODY  Offline
Master

Joined: Jun 2003
Posts: 52,972
Romeo MI
Also make sure the choke pull off is working(holds vac)

Re: 273 hi-po has problems, please help.... [Re: MR_P_BODY] #1374249
01/22/13 08:07 PM
01/22/13 08:07 PM
Joined: Dec 2005
Posts: 1,495
Shelby mi.
J
JAKE68 Offline
pro stock
JAKE68  Offline
pro stock
J

Joined: Dec 2005
Posts: 1,495
Shelby mi.
That carb does not have a choke pull off. Next time when starting cold and it is running rough slightly open choke and see if it smooths out if it does lean out choke adjustment a little leaner. It is a too rich condition you are having.


JAKES AUTOMOTIVE
Re: 273 hi-po has problems, please help.... [Re: JAKE68] #1374250
01/22/13 08:27 PM
01/22/13 08:27 PM
Joined: Nov 2008
Posts: 660
San Diego
formula S Offline
mopar
formula S  Offline
mopar

Joined: Nov 2008
Posts: 660
San Diego
This guy may have put this engine together using the original pushrods which are to long see if you can back off a rocker untill you have lash if you cant achive lash you might have the solid lifter pushrods. 35yrs ago when I was 17 I made this mistake

Re: 273 hi-po has problems, please help.... [Re: formula S] #1374251
01/24/13 01:12 PM
01/24/13 01:12 PM
Joined: Jul 2009
Posts: 209
Arkansas
beatupcuda Offline OP
enthusiast
beatupcuda  Offline OP
enthusiast

Joined: Jul 2009
Posts: 209
Arkansas
My rockers can be backed off until there is gap, I adjusted the rockers in sequence of like a solid cam adjustment, zero lash then 1/4 and later 1/2 turn. the carbs choke appears to work properly, it's electric, the door/butterfly was closed to 1/8" when you start the car, the first full pedal sets the cam and the butterfly closes to within 1/8" of being fully closed, then you have to pedal and crank 3-4 times before it will run on its own. the rpms begin gradual like 800, then finally achieve 14-1500 after a minute or so, then it totally runs 90% good until you kick it down to 800 rpm idle, where it is still a lil rough, not bad, the idle mix screws are about 2 1/2-3 turns out.


68 Hemi 4 speed Cuda,,,,building ?
Re: 273 hi-po has problems, please help.... [Re: beatupcuda] #1374252
01/24/13 01:41 PM
01/24/13 01:41 PM
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 32,932
Grand Prairie,Texas
stumpy Offline
I Win
stumpy  Offline
I Win

Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 32,932
Grand Prairie,Texas
Idle air screws should be about 1 1/2 turns out to start with and adjust for best hot idle from there.

Re: 273 hi-po has problems, please help.... [Re: stumpy] #1374253
01/24/13 01:53 PM
01/24/13 01:53 PM
Joined: Jul 2009
Posts: 209
Arkansas
beatupcuda Offline OP
enthusiast
beatupcuda  Offline OP
enthusiast

Joined: Jul 2009
Posts: 209
Arkansas
1 1/2 out begins to bring the idle down too low, it does not like that.


68 Hemi 4 speed Cuda,,,,building ?
Re: 273 hi-po has problems, please help.... [Re: beatupcuda] #1374254
01/24/13 10:09 PM
01/24/13 10:09 PM
Joined: Jul 2003
Posts: 6,167
Maryland
GO_Fish Offline
master
GO_Fish  Offline
master

Joined: Jul 2003
Posts: 6,167
Maryland
Quote:

If anyone can provide me with some possible fixes for my 1966 273, Hi-Po 4 bbl. I will be happy to call evenings. The engine has probs, would prefer to discuss on phone as it will be quite lengthy.

Engine was rebuilt a few thousand miles ago (so i was told) and the guy said he installed a Hyd cam vs the original solid, but "did not replace the adj rockers." Which being a shadetree mech, I saw no prob, except harder to adjust properly. The engine has a new Edelbrock 500, on the stock intake. When you first start it, the engine rocks like it's going to come out of it's mounts, like a terrible vacumm leak, then once it begins to warm up, the rock & roll settles down, to acceptable but not smooth as it should be. it definitely has a peppy cam, the guy said a little over stock. SO, that being said, does the ratio of the solid adj rockers have anything to do with the prob. ?? It is almost like the lifters are adj too tight, but then it gets better, as it warms up. Timing on 12 before, New electronic dist & ign. carb is NEW and adjusted correctly. I have adj the rockers from 1/4 turn to 1/2 turn, never gone the full turn. Once the engine reaches temp, it runs fine, but still a lil rockin.

thanks




If the lifters (and cam) were changed from solid to hydro, you can use the same stock adjustable rocker arms, BUT you cannot re-use the original pushrods, as they will now be the wrong length. Find a set of pushrods out of a '70's 318 motor and try them for a test.


Scott B. "I'm a self-made man... I started with nothing, and I still have most of it!" 68 360 rusty B'cuda 'vert (GO Fish)13.59@ 98.72 mph 69 340 GTS stock 14.18@ 95.60 mph 01 5.9L Ram 1500 Quad Cab 4x4 01 3.5L 300M 16.23@ 86.97 mph
Re: 273 hi-po has problems, please help.... [Re: beatupcuda] #1374255
01/24/13 10:50 PM
01/24/13 10:50 PM
Joined: Jan 2007
Posts: 136
AZ, USA
moon Offline
member
moon  Offline
member

Joined: Jan 2007
Posts: 136
AZ, USA
I had the same problem with my 273 HP, I changed the solid lifters to hydraulic lifters with a 340 cam. It ran like crap until I got shorter push rods and I also used stock adjustable rockers. I dont remember the length of the push rods because they let me borrow 2 or 3 different sizes to test.

Re: 273 hi-po has problems, please help.... [Re: GO_Fish] #1374256
01/25/13 03:57 AM
01/25/13 03:57 AM
Joined: Nov 2008
Posts: 660
San Diego
formula S Offline
mopar
formula S  Offline
mopar

Joined: Nov 2008
Posts: 660
San Diego
Find a set of pushrods out of a '70's 318 motor and try them for a test.


Those wont work because they are a ball ball pushrods and those rockers require ball cup pushrods, so here is Comp Cams solution for this problem. length is 7.389 for the hyd cam and 7.497 for solid cam applications I personally have used the 7.389 pushrods with 273 adj rockers and hyd cams with no problems http://www.summitracing.com/parts/cca-7821-16

Re: 273 hi-po has problems, please help.... [Re: formula S] #1374257
01/25/13 01:14 PM
01/25/13 01:14 PM
Joined: Jul 2009
Posts: 209
Arkansas
beatupcuda Offline OP
enthusiast
beatupcuda  Offline OP
enthusiast

Joined: Jul 2009
Posts: 209
Arkansas
do you happen to know what stock length solid push rods are, vs hyd ? I'll pull my rods and check the length first.

Page 1 of 2 1 2






Powered by UBB.threads™ PHP Forum Software 7.7.1