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realistic et goal for a 78 400 #1367618
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Yeah I'm bored so just kicking around the idea.
I have a 1978 400 short block out of a Cordoba. I have a few choices on heads(452,346,902,or 516.I would have to buy a cam&lifters unless I swiped the .528 out of my 413.
The car weighs @ 3700lbs 3.91 gears and 3500 stall convertor 28" tires.
What et/mph would you think this could produce? cam suggestions welcome.

I would like it to run at least 12.50 index for the heads up class

Re: realistic et goal for a 78 400 [Re: MPerry] #1367619
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Well judging by the views and lack of comments its probably unrealistic.

Re: realistic et goal for a 78 400 [Re: MPerry] #1367620
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I don't think its unrealistic, the rest of the car is set up right. I'm not sure the .528 will get you there easily, but it should get you there. It may take a big of tuning. Its a good cam, but not a big top end screamer type. It'll be a nice street/strip setup though. A 509 would probably get you there a little easier, but I'd try the .528 since you have it. 12.50s is probably what I would expect from that. You should certainly be in the 12s, it really just depends on how sharp you tune it and how tired the 400 is.

EDIT I see you don't have a cam. I'd run a DC509 (old one with 108 LSA, in at 102 or 104 ICL), run either the 452s or the 516s. I'd run the 452s, have them milled as much as you can. If you want give them a shot at home porting. I think it'll run strong though, the car is set up well with that converter and gearing.

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Re: realistic et goal for a 78 400 [Re: GTX MATT] #1367621
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I think I have a .509 sitting in the 400 right now. I had it briefly in my 413.
The 452 are milled already.

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Re: realistic et goal for a 78 400 [Re: MPerry] #1367622
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Seems like even with low comp, You should be able to squeeze 400 hp out of it with some good machine work. That may get you into the low 12 to mid 12's

Re: realistic et goal for a 78 400 [Re: Mopar-Al] #1367623
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would a 2x4 tunnel ram hurt or help?

Re: realistic et goal for a 78 400 [Re: Mopar-Al] #1367624
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i have a 75 400 that I am doing the same to right now...most tell me its not going to do this or that.. compression to low.. I took a measurement and came up with the piston being in the hole 37th.total.. I have a old crane cam hyd. I think its 504/528 something along that line with a 112 plan to install it at 106 or so..i have a tm6 intake and a 750dbl pumper carb..will run a 727 with a 28/3000 verta and 456 gear for right now 70 duster frame conn. ss spring,mini tubbed, oh yea I plan to put some nos on it as well.. this will be my street car/toy until I finish my chassis car...hope it will be in the 7xx in the 1/8 mile but who knows...

Re: realistic et goal for a 78 400 [Re: Mopar-Al] #1367625
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Quote:

Seems like even with low comp, You should be able to squeeze 400 hp out of it with some good machine work. That may get you into the low 12 to mid 12's




12.50 et or less is real. 400-425 hp is about right. 452's are a little easier to work with to gain power (bigger valves, some pocket work). since you have them milled, you may go up in the comp ratio, but not by much. Excellent point from the other members is to get a cam, matched to your specs and advance in the intake centerline a bit more to raise cylinder pressure. Check piston /valve clearances though. However, work the chassis to transfer the weight better and to HOOK
WELL. Basic stuff - front end rise/alignment, frame rigidity, solid crossmembers and sub-connectors and by all means proper rear shock travel. You can have power, but without a solid foundation to transfer it from the frame thru the rear wheels and, finally to the ground - it's pointless!! Food for thought.
By the way, do you have a TQ or a Holley sitting up top?


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Re: realistic et goal for a 78 400 [Re: HYPER8oSoNic] #1367626
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I have a bunch of different carbs to choose from. The 413 has an 850dp on it. I have a few other holleys,a few TQs,an edelbrock,and a couple quadrajets.

Re: realistic et goal for a 78 400 [Re: MPerry] #1367627
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Either the 850 (jetted/w proper squirters),
the 800 TQ (tuned, w/adjusted secy air door), or even a performance tuned 750 EDDY will
do the job.


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Re: realistic et goal for a 78 400 [Re: MPerry] #1367628
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not going to get there with that combo. Maybe 13.50 for 12's you are going to need more compression, some head work... can you use the 413?


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Re: realistic et goal for a 78 400 [Re: Mr.Yuck] #1367629
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Yes that is what was in the car. I'm just afraid it will be too fast for 12.50 index once it hooks.

Re: realistic et goal for a 78 400 [Re: MPerry] #1367630
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I think with the 413 you're going to be close to 12.50. The 528 is a nice mello cam. Depending on what else you have. I'm guessing you have headers, a decent intake and electronic ignition. If so leave the 413 in. Even with the 509 in the 413 I don't see a problem. If you ran the 509 with ported heads, good headers (1 7/8+) and 4.10's it MIGHT run 12.20.

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headers,holley street dominator,electronic distributor locked out and set for 38 degrees total

Re: realistic et goal for a 78 400 [Re: MPerry] #1367632
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....waaaay mo-compression ...

Re: realistic et goal for a 78 400 [Re: MPerry] #1367633
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Not sure if you've seen this post but your setup sounds pretty similar to what this is:L
https://board.moparts.org/ubbthreads/show...e=1#Post7538803
Your goals seem doable

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with the parts listed and factory heads....

at 3700 lb .....high 12's.

at 3300 with the out -dated 509 / out dated iron heads / 3:91/410 gear / slicks/ etc... you can get to 12.20

Re: realistic et goal for a 78 400 [Re: 493_DART] #1367635
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Ok thanks for the input. I'm going to leave the 413 as is for now.
I'll try putting the 400 together with the 509 cam just to see how it performs.

Re: realistic et goal for a 78 400 [Re: MPerry] #1367636
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I milled a set of 452's .100 and turned them into closed chamber heads. How long will they last without cracking?....flip a coin I had a set of 516's that I milled extensively and they took 12 years to crack.Dave

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My 452's are on the 413 so I'll probably try the 516's.
Its either 902's(1974 440) 346(1972 400) or the 516's 1963 413)

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