Previous Thread
Next Thread
Print Thread
440 Marine #1365098
01/06/13 11:46 AM
01/06/13 11:46 AM
Joined: Aug 2003
Posts: 275
Oakwood Ont Canada
340mouse Offline OP
enthusiast
340mouse  Offline OP
enthusiast

Joined: Aug 2003
Posts: 275
Oakwood Ont Canada
What is the difference between a marine 440 and a car 440, also the diff between a 440 hi po and a stock chysler 440.
Thanks for the help.

Re: 440 Marine [Re: 340mouse] #1365099
01/06/13 12:05 PM
01/06/13 12:05 PM
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 75,069
U.S.S.A.
JohnRR Offline
I Win
JohnRR  Offline
I Win

Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 75,069
U.S.S.A.
Marine 440 could be reverse rotaion , cam should be different , possibly valve springs , boats don't get driven like passenger cars. Big thing to look out for is the cooling system type , you don't want one that was raw water cooled , meaning the water the boat is in goes thru the engine , especially if it was used in SALT WATER .

Difference between HP and non HP in a car , the 2 letters stamped H and P and depends on the year but mainly it's , the cam , carb tuning , valve springs , curve of the distributor , oil pan capacity , windage tray or not , exhaust manifolds , 67 - 71 the difference was roughly 25HP ....

Re: 440 Marine [Re: JohnRR] #1365100
01/06/13 01:23 PM
01/06/13 01:23 PM
Joined: Feb 2003
Posts: 8,020
Pangaea
B5 Bee Offline
master
B5 Bee  Offline
master

Joined: Feb 2003
Posts: 8,020
Pangaea
Most 440 Marine motors weren't Hi-Po. Only the 440-6 Marine was.

Different parts on LH rotation;
oil pan
oil pump
intake manifold
carb
dist
alternator
water pump housing
water pump (raw water used Sherwood pumps)
exhaust manifolds

Different parts on RH (reverse) rotation;
all above plus
crankshaft
camshaft
dist drive gear
dist thrust block

Most were raw water cooled, and yes, stay away from one that was in salt.

Re: 440 Marine [Re: JohnRR] #1365101
01/06/13 01:24 PM
01/06/13 01:24 PM
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 4,784
Ontario, Canada
mccannix Offline
master
mccannix  Offline
master

Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 4,784
Ontario, Canada
Chrysler supplied and sponsored some pretty cool boat motors

7535258-wedgecover1.jpg (406 downloads)
Re: 440 Marine [Re: mccannix] #1365102
01/06/13 01:25 PM
01/06/13 01:25 PM
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 4,784
Ontario, Canada
mccannix Offline
master
mccannix  Offline
master

Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 4,784
Ontario, Canada
Some NOS decals I have

7535262-wedgecover3.jpg (440 downloads)
Re: 440 Marine [Re: mccannix] #1365103
01/06/13 04:07 PM
01/06/13 04:07 PM
Joined: Feb 2003
Posts: 21,318
Manitoba, Canada
DaytonaTurbo Offline
Too Many Posts
DaytonaTurbo  Offline
Too Many Posts

Joined: Feb 2003
Posts: 21,318
Manitoba, Canada
You basically have no reason to want a marine block. Period. Especially ones run in salt water.

Re: 440 Marine [Re: DaytonaTurbo] #1365104
01/06/13 11:43 PM
01/06/13 11:43 PM
Joined: Aug 2003
Posts: 275
Oakwood Ont Canada
340mouse Offline OP
enthusiast
340mouse  Offline OP
enthusiast

Joined: Aug 2003
Posts: 275
Oakwood Ont Canada
Well, I guess all this tells me to stay away from the 440 marine, the rotation, is that by the distributor.
Thanks

Re: 440 Marine [Re: 340mouse] #1365105
01/06/13 11:56 PM
01/06/13 11:56 PM
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 32,954
Grand Prairie,Texas
stumpy Offline
I Win
stumpy  Offline
I Win

Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 32,954
Grand Prairie,Texas
Actually the crankshaft and everything attached rotates the reverse of a car motor.

Re: 440 Marine [Re: 340mouse] #1365106
01/06/13 11:58 PM
01/06/13 11:58 PM
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 1,803
McGregor,Iowa 52157
5
500ciDuster Offline
top fuel
500ciDuster  Offline
top fuel
5

Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 1,803
McGregor,Iowa 52157
I don't think they are something to be scared of,the reverse engines were usually ran with a normal rotation engine and if it was a single engine they were normal rotation from what I've seen in the few boats that I've worked on.

Re: 440 Marine [Re: stumpy] #1365107
01/07/13 12:02 AM
01/07/13 12:02 AM
Joined: Feb 2003
Posts: 8,020
Pangaea
B5 Bee Offline
master
B5 Bee  Offline
master

Joined: Feb 2003
Posts: 8,020
Pangaea
Quote:

Actually the crankshaft and everything attached is run backwards compared to a car motor.




It runs backwards if it is RH rotation, not all Marine 440s are.
There are two things that don't run backwards on a RH motor, the dist and oil pump.

Re: 440 Marine [Re: B5 Bee] #1365108
01/07/13 12:14 AM
01/07/13 12:14 AM
Joined: Feb 2003
Posts: 21,318
Manitoba, Canada
DaytonaTurbo Offline
Too Many Posts
DaytonaTurbo  Offline
Too Many Posts

Joined: Feb 2003
Posts: 21,318
Manitoba, Canada
Not all 440's are reverse rotation, only some that were used in dual engine boats. The reverse rotation bits can be changed out, that's not the problem. The real issue is do you want to build an engine that has had sea water run through its veins its whole life? Salt water rusts the hell out of a cast iron block and running freshwater through it isn't great either. Seeing as 440's are not that rare, I see no real reason to take a chance on a marine block.

Now if someone offered me a great deal on an old marine 426 hemi, I would be all over that. Well it would at least be worth checking out.

Re: 440 Marine [Re: B5 Bee] #1365109
01/07/13 12:14 AM
01/07/13 12:14 AM
Joined: Oct 2008
Posts: 705
rockford illinois
1
1970A13 Offline
super stock
1970A13  Offline
super stock
1

Joined: Oct 2008
Posts: 705
rockford illinois
I always thought that marine mtors were balanced & blueprinted so they would hold together at 6K rpm,for hours on end,like going across lake mich.

Re: 440 Marine [Re: 1970A13] #1365110
01/07/13 12:18 AM
01/07/13 12:18 AM
Joined: Feb 2003
Posts: 21,318
Manitoba, Canada
DaytonaTurbo Offline
Too Many Posts
DaytonaTurbo  Offline
Too Many Posts

Joined: Feb 2003
Posts: 21,318
Manitoba, Canada
While most marine v8's are setup to run at a steady higher rpm for hours on end, not 6000rpm. I would suspect a normal "high" rpm for one would be no more than 4500ish. They were cammed and propped for torq, not to scream. Unless we're talking about a race/jet boat kind of deal.

Re: 440 Marine [Re: DaytonaTurbo] #1365111
01/07/13 12:34 AM
01/07/13 12:34 AM
Joined: Feb 2003
Posts: 8,020
Pangaea
B5 Bee Offline
master
B5 Bee  Offline
master

Joined: Feb 2003
Posts: 8,020
Pangaea
Not all reverse rotation marine motors were used in twin engine boats, many single engine boats use them.
95%+ of all Correct Craft, Moomba, Master Craft, etc ski boats use reverse motors. The idea is to help keep the boat level under power by using the prop torque to counteract the weight of the driver.
I wouldn't worry about a 440 used in fresh water. There are hundreds of Mopar race cars with nothing but water in the cooling system.

Re: 440 Marine [Re: DaytonaTurbo] #1365112
01/07/13 12:36 AM
01/07/13 12:36 AM
Joined: Oct 2008
Posts: 705
rockford illinois
1
1970A13 Offline
super stock
1970A13  Offline
super stock
1

Joined: Oct 2008
Posts: 705
rockford illinois
Daytona turbo,you're correct i was a little high on rpm but you get the just of it!

Re: 440 Marine [Re: 1970A13] #1365113
01/07/13 01:06 AM
01/07/13 01:06 AM
Joined: Feb 2003
Posts: 21,318
Manitoba, Canada
DaytonaTurbo Offline
Too Many Posts
DaytonaTurbo  Offline
Too Many Posts

Joined: Feb 2003
Posts: 21,318
Manitoba, Canada
Interesting b5 bee, I've only seen one marine 440 that was taken apart and it was standard rotation. I assumed it was from a single engine boat, but perhaps that was one from a twin.

I've seen some fresh water lake boats with engines that were more crusted up on the outside than they probably were on the inside!

Re: 440 Marine [Re: stumpy] #1365114
01/07/13 11:00 AM
01/07/13 11:00 AM
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 75,069
U.S.S.A.
JohnRR Offline
I Win
JohnRR  Offline
I Win

Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 75,069
U.S.S.A.
Quote:

Actually the crankshaft and everything attached rotates the reverse of a car motor.




No it would be the camshaft and the starter would just spin the engine over in the opposite direction, but the crank does have the knurling for the rear main seal in the opposite direction also.

Marine/Industrial engines were assembled to better tolerances.

Re: 440 Marine [Re: JohnRR] #1365115
01/07/13 11:24 AM
01/07/13 11:24 AM
Joined: Feb 2003
Posts: 8,020
Pangaea
B5 Bee Offline
master
B5 Bee  Offline
master

Joined: Feb 2003
Posts: 8,020
Pangaea
...and if the oil pump turned backwards, I don't think the motor would live too long.

If you do find a RH (reverse) Marine motor for cheap, buy it for parts. You'll get your money back from the cam and dist/oil pump drive gear as these parts aren't available new.







Powered by UBB.threads™ PHP Forum Software 7.7.1