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Re: 440 Source Parts Quality
[Re: patosmith]
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01/01/13 07:51 PM
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Romeo MI
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Well a few questions will come into play... are you talking a 10.90 or a 10.0.. next is what weight will you be running at.. being that you playing with a E body and they tend to be heavy you either good HP and torque or you plan on spinning it up... now back to the parts... the cranks are forged in China.. they tend to make their steel on a different scale than US steel so a 4340 steel doesnt always end up being what the specs call out for... but if you use the lower RPM high torque approach and light pistons I dont think you have too much of a problem.... if you go with the revs(which I tend to do) you might have a issue using all their parts.... I went with better parts on my 514 B1 M/C ... I went with a Callies crank but I was gonna spin 9000+.............JMO Either way have all the parts checked by a machinist 
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Re: 440 Source Parts Quality
[Re: tubtar]
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01/01/13 08:05 PM
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I had a family member ask the other day at a Christmas party on the quality of the 440 Source rockers he was thinking of buying..... I told him to pass and get some better parts now instead of busting up stuff and buying better parts later.... of course he said this is just a street car and then I replied... how much will it cost when you break them... he said... point taken..... now would I use their rotating assm on a street engine.......... I might... but it better be a cruiser
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Re: 440 Source Parts Quality
[Re: patosmith]
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01/01/13 08:45 PM
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Chris2581
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I have a set of their Stealth heads and no problems with them.I did change the springs retainers and locks as I went with a cam that was more than the 440 source parts were specified for.
Nautilus Racing-
We use Superformance gaskets and Turbo Action converters/products.
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Re: 440 Source Parts Quality
[Re: patosmith]
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01/01/13 09:33 PM
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3200 pound car, 9.60's in quarters, 6.18 or so in eighth, 7500 rpm shift, lotsa torque, well over 700 passes on 440 source stroker kit. been rebuilt once. use other manufacturers parts for valve train stuff, dampner, rings, bearings, etc. etc. Recommend them?? Yes, take with a grain of salt!!......I have indy heads etc. but I would not hesitate a minute to buy a set of BARE stealth heads if I needed them. Source has helped to hold down prices on mopar related products, EVEN for those that "hate"!! 
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Re: 440 Source Parts Quality
[Re: savoyracer]
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01/01/13 09:39 PM
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SO who still forges cranks in america?
1968 Charger COLD A/C Hilborn EFI
512ci 9.7 compression, Stealth heads, 4.10 gear A518 ODtrans 4100lb,10.93 full street car trim
2020 T/A 392 Stock 11.79 @ 114.5
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Re: 440 Source Parts Quality
[Re: savoyracer]
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01/01/13 09:47 PM
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I used a 440source rotating assembly in my Daytona ans had over 275 passes on it with the quickest being a 8.60@151 mph. I recently sold that rotating assemble to another Moparts member and it will be going in his car soon. There I beem rods were junk and have been discontinued. The only extra work that was required was I had to fit the piston pin to the rod which I did at home and I was told to do this in their instructions.
1970 Duster
Edelbrock headed 408
5.984@112.52
422 Indy headed small block
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Livin and lovin life one day at a time
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Re: 440 Source Parts Quality
[Re: pittsburghracer]
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01/01/13 10:42 PM
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Worst Weather USA
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I use their 4.15 stroker kit . Raced it since 07. Somewhere around 400 passes or so. No issues yet. Car has went 6.46 in the 1/8 . I can post some pics of broken rods and cranks from Eagle , Manley , Scat , etc..... does that make those brands all junk ??? whatever brand you use--have it all thourougly checked by a machinist and assemble it yourself making sure to carefully double check everything . Works for me 
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Re: 440 Source Parts Quality
[Re: Jeremiah]
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01/02/13 03:07 AM
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I bought 440 source 505 stroker kit, had it balanced by them also, had it checked over by a machine shop with no problems found, I'm sure if there was they would have jumped right on it as they didn't cut me any slack on the machine work on the block. Been racing it for about 4 years, hundreds of runs with no problems, I'd by another  by the way it runs low 10's. 
it's ok to butt heads, just don't do it with a butthead
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Re: 440 Source Parts Quality
[Re: patosmith]
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01/02/13 04:51 AM
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Aurora, Colorado
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I posted a bunch of Info on my 505 build using the 4.25" stroke, 7.1" rod kit in a 440, and also using the Stealth heads. For the most part the kit was good, but had one rod where the notch that locates the bearing was a bit off, and the bearing was touching the radius of the crank, the result (indicator) was tight rods side clearance. I just chamfered the bearing slightly and it was OK. Here is a link: https://board.moparts.org/ubbthreads/show...part=1&vc=1I also have a 440 source 4.15" stroker kit in a 400 block, and I have not had any problems with the 440 source parts, but the Edelbrock Victor heads have given me problems.
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Re: 440 Source Parts Quality
[Re: 70VcodeCoronetRT]
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01/02/13 01:42 PM
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i've built several strokers using their kits, and they're all still out there. the parts all checked better than my kit, which was from mancini (eagle crank and rods, diamond pistons). of course, the rods need to be pin fitted. i don't think the chinese will EVER get the hang of proper pin fit (most likely the reason for the pin bushing failure pictured earlier in this tread). there are some things i would not use from 440 source, but the rotating assemblies have been good for me.
for what is the good life if not doing things thoughtfully?
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Re: 440 Source Parts Quality
[Re: maximum entropy]
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01/02/13 03:36 PM
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Niles , Ohio
therocks
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Ive run their heads for 4 years.My kid has their mini starter on his 62 also.No problems with either.Rocky
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Re: 440 Source Parts Quality
[Re: maximum entropy]
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01/02/13 11:50 PM
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Downtown Roebuck Ont
Twostick
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Quote:
i've built several strokers using their kits, and they're all still out there. the parts all checked better than my kit, which was from mancini (eagle crank and rods, diamond pistons). of course, the rods need to be pin fitted. i don't think the chinese will EVER get the hang of proper pin fit (most likely the reason for the pin bushing failure pictured earlier in this tread). there are some things i would not use from 440 source, but the rotating assemblies have been good for me.
It's pretty hard to mass produce a rod with a fitted pin bore when there are more than one size of .990 pin. Brandon told me when I bought mine, that they were machined tight and had to be honed to fit. Easy to take metal away, hard to put it back.
The only thing I had to touch on my Source kit was the pin fit and I was told that up front. Anything else that came out of a box that said Edelbrock, Mopar Performance, Milodon or Ross had no end of annoying or expensive surprises. As my builder likes to say, "if it comes out of a box, it's FUBAR"
The safest course no matter who's box your parts come out of is to assume they are junk and check and correct as required. That way you don't have a pin bushing that looks like the one above.
Kevin
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Re: 440 Source Parts Quality
[Re: StealthWedge67]
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01/03/13 04:39 PM
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julian2007
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A buddy of mine had a 572 with -1s on it the crank,rods,and pistons came from 440 source he sprayed it every lap for two years an went in the 4.50's more times than I can count.
The stuff is as good as the guy putting it together.
I had a 520 440 source bottom end ran it two years went 5.00 many times, no problems
It all depends on how much power your going after
God made cold beer,good friends,hot ladies and race cars don't spit in his face by pi$$ing and moaning about how life sucks!!!
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you get what you pay for. pretty much sums it up........
Lesson learned.
