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70 RR airgrabber underdash solenoid? #1360809 12/29/12 04:23 PM 12/29/12 04:23 PM
Joined: Aug 2004 Posts: 2,092 New Mexico J JMCFAN OP top fuel
JMCFAN OP top fuel J Joined: Aug 2004 Posts: 2,092 New Mexico	Where does it mount? Does it mattter which vacuum line goes where? Can find no schematic for it in shop manual 68 Charger 383/ AT Green/Green VT 70 Roadrunner 383/4sp Purple/Black VT

Re: 70 RR airgrabber underdash solenoid? [Re: JMCFAN] #1360810 12/29/12 05:01 PM 12/29/12 05:01 PM
Joined: Jan 2004 Posts: 27,347 Today? Who Knows? 1_WILD_RT Management Trainee
1_WILD_RT Management Trainee Joined: Jan 2004 Posts: 27,347 Today? Who Knows?	This may help, 70 is the same.. It mounts on the top of the bottom flange of the dash below the switch... The screw goes in from the bottom though an oversized hole & into the hole on the solenoid bracket.. 7523540-hoserouting2.jpg (218 downloads) "The Armies of our ancestors were lucky, in that they were not trailed by a second army of pencil pushers."

Re: 70 RR airgrabber underdash solenoid? [Re: 1_WILD_RT] #1360811 12/29/12 06:56 PM 12/29/12 06:56 PM
Joined: Aug 2004 Posts: 2,092 New Mexico J JMCFAN OP top fuel
JMCFAN OP top fuel J Joined: Aug 2004 Posts: 2,092 New Mexico	Perfect!! Thank you!! 68 Charger 383/ AT Green/Green VT 70 Roadrunner 383/4sp Purple/Black VT

Re: 70 RR airgrabber underdash solenoid? [Re: JMCFAN] #1360812 12/30/12 02:40 PM 12/30/12 02:40 PM
Joined: Jul 2011 Posts: 957 Chicago PurpleBeeper super stock
PurpleBeeper super stock Joined: Jul 2011 Posts: 957 Chicago	Quote: Where does it mount? Does it mattter which vacuum line goes where? Can find no schematic for it in shop manual OK, I'm confused..... my 70 Roadrunner air grabber car doesn't have any "solenoid" at all. I "thought" that was the electric control system of late'71/early'72 ???? Please chime in anyone who knows for sure. 70 Roadrunner convt. street car 440+6, NOS, 4-spd, SS springs '96 Mustang GT convt. street car '04 4.6 SOHC, NOS, auto, lowered "Officer, that button is for short on-ramps"

Re: 70 RR airgrabber underdash solenoid? [Re: PurpleBeeper] #1360813 12/30/12 02:50 PM 12/30/12 02:50 PM
Joined: Jan 2004 Posts: 27,347 Today? Who Knows? 1_WILD_RT Management Trainee
1_WILD_RT Management Trainee Joined: Jan 2004 Posts: 27,347 Today? Who Knows?	Quote: Quote: Where does it mount? Does it mattter which vacuum line goes where? Can find no schematic for it in shop manual OK, I'm confused..... my 70 Roadrunner air grabber car doesn't have any "solenoid" at all. I "thought" that was the electric control system of late'71/early'72 ???? Please chime in anyone who knows for sure. There should be one, as previously mentioned it is mounted to the top of the flange at the bottom of the dash... It's function is to seal the system when the ignition is on so the scoop works then when you turn the ignition off it opens a port allowing the vacuum to escape closing the scoop when the engine is off... They are often left out because they fail causing the scoop to not work, replacements aren't cheap & the only thing that use to be available was either used or NOS.. Used you don't know if the replacement is any better than what you have, NOS could be bad to but it surely won't be cheap... Eliminating the solenoid the system works but the scoop doesn't close immediately when you shut the key off, vacuum bleeds back out slowly & the scoop drops in a few minutes... "The Armies of our ancestors were lucky, in that they were not trailed by a second army of pencil pushers."

Re: 70 RR airgrabber underdash solenoid? [Re: 1_WILD_RT] #1360814 12/30/12 06:25 PM 12/30/12 06:25 PM
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72gtx4speed top fuel 7 Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: 1,730 elyria, ohio	replacement solenoids are available from BE&A parts and probably other vendors. clem when i grow up i want to be just like sunroofgtx, god please don't let me grow up.

Re: 70 RR airgrabber underdash solenoid? [Re: 72gtx4speed] #1360815 12/30/12 07:28 PM 12/30/12 07:28 PM
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1_WILD_RT Management Trainee Joined: Jan 2004 Posts: 27,347 Today? Who Knows?	Quote: replacement solenoids are available from BE&A parts and probably other vendors. clem Yes, they are, as I mentioned in my earlier post "replacements aren't cheap & the only thing that use to be available was either used or NOS.. Used you don't know if the replacement is any better than what you have, NOS could be bad to but it surely won't be cheap... Eliminating the solenoid the system works but the scoop doesn't close immediately when you shut the key off, " They are now reproduced but they still aren't cheap... http://www.beaparts.com/item_detail.aspx?id=990 I'm glad they are available but I'm also glad I don't need one.. Edited... I meant to type now but instead typed not... definitely changed the meaning of the post... Last edited by 1_WILD_RT; 12/30/12 09:14 PM. "The Armies of our ancestors were lucky, in that they were not trailed by a second army of pencil pushers."

Re: 70 RR airgrabber underdash solenoid? [Re: 1_WILD_RT] #1360816 12/30/12 08:38 PM 12/30/12 08:38 PM
Joined: Aug 2004 Posts: 2,092 New Mexico J JMCFAN OP top fuel
JMCFAN OP top fuel J Joined: Aug 2004 Posts: 2,092 New Mexico	Quote: Quote: replacement solenoids are available from BE&A parts and probably other vendors. clem Yes, they are, as I mentioned in my earlier post "replacements aren't cheap & the only thing that use to be available was either used or NOS.. Used you don't know if the replacement is any better than what you have, NOS could be bad to but it surely won't be cheap... Eliminating the solenoid the system works but the scoop doesn't close immediately when you shut the key off, " They are not reproduced but they still aren't cheap... http://www.beaparts.com/item_detail.aspx?id=990 I'm glad they are available but I'm also glad I don't need one.. 68 Charger 383/ AT Green/Green VT 70 Roadrunner 383/4sp Purple/Black VT

Re: 70 RR airgrabber underdash solenoid? [Re: JMCFAN] #1360817 12/30/12 09:41 PM 12/30/12 09:41 PM
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1970A13 super stock 1 Joined: Oct 2008 Posts: 705 rockford illinois	Correct me if i'm wrong but i thought the solenoid held the air grabber open if it was open and the key turned off,not bleed off the air?

Re: 70 RR airgrabber underdash solenoid? [Re: 72gtx4speed] #1360818 01/06/13 09:52 PM 01/06/13 09:52 PM
Joined: Jul 2011 Posts: 957 Chicago PurpleBeeper super stock
PurpleBeeper super stock Joined: Jul 2011 Posts: 957 Chicago	Quote: replacement solenoids are available from BE&A parts and probably other vendors. clem OMG! I bought my car in 1983 and it came with 13 boxes full of parts. I have this air grabber solenoid, but could never figure out what it was, what it did, etc. Does anyone have a picture of exactly where it goes? You learn something every day 70 Roadrunner convt. street car 440+6, NOS, 4-spd, SS springs '96 Mustang GT convt. street car '04 4.6 SOHC, NOS, auto, lowered "Officer, that button is for short on-ramps"

Re: 70 RR airgrabber underdash solenoid? [Re: 1970A13] #1360819 01/06/13 10:20 PM 01/06/13 10:20 PM
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Ruppman pro stock R Joined: Jan 2006 Posts: 1,573 Rockford, IL.	Quote: Correct me if i'm wrong but i thought the solenoid held the air grabber open if it was open and the key turned off,not bleed off the air? me too, I had one of these years ago and I remember putting power to it and it would flow air through the 2 ports, release the juice and it would stop air flow. I don't remember any other vents or ports to bleed air off other than the 2 which hook to the hoses. Besides, you don't need to bleed the vacuum off with the engine off because the engine vacuum holds the AG open. Once the engine is off, intake vacuum goes away and the spring on the AG mechanism would close the scoop. Been a long time since I played around with an AG. $175 isn't too bad if you need one. I used to sell them in the early/mid 90's for $75 cause even then, they were hard to find. Anyway, best musclecar hood ever! IMO mark

Re: 70 RR airgrabber underdash solenoid? [Re: Ruppman] #1360820 01/06/13 11:14 PM 01/06/13 11:14 PM
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1970A13 super stock 1 Joined: Oct 2008 Posts: 705 rockford illinois	I think it mounts on the lower dash frame over by the glove box,you'll have to check with someone that has a real(true) 1970 n96 plymouth!

Re: 70 RR airgrabber underdash solenoid? [Re: Ruppman] #1360821 01/06/13 11:23 PM 01/06/13 11:23 PM
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72roadrunnergtx super stock Joined: Oct 2008 Posts: 765 Shoreline, Washington	While energized the two nipples are a pass through, de-energized, the open side vacuum circuit is bleed off through a hole in the end of the solenoid, a foam filter block was glued over it originally to suppress the noise. The A/G systems vacuum reservoir has a check valve on the manifold side to retain enough vacuum for several up/down cycles after engine off, on a good system with no leaks. BTW, this type of vacuum solenoid valve is pretty common in vehicles of all makes over the years for other functions, if originality/appearance is not a huge concern they can be sourced at salvage yards pretty cheap. 1972 Road Runner GTX 440 6bbl 5-speed [img]http://72rrgtx.com/carpics/bucket/DSC06730r-1.jpg[/img]

Re: 70 RR airgrabber underdash solenoid? [Re: 72roadrunnergtx] #1360822 01/07/13 11:56 PM 01/07/13 11:56 PM
Joined: Jan 2006 Posts: 1,573 Rockford, IL. R Ruppman pro stock
Ruppman pro stock R Joined: Jan 2006 Posts: 1,573 Rockford, IL.	pretty cool little dohicky, I totally forgot about the vac. canister and it's check valve. well designed system. It's been a while since I had an operating AG. A must have for a 70-72 plym. and 71-72 Dodge!

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