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Borgeson steering box install by Rick Ehernberg #1357971 12/23/12 10:05 PM 12/23/12 10:05 PM
Joined: Nov 2005 Posts: 3,456 Fly Over States P PHJ426 OP master
PHJ426 OP master P Joined: Nov 2005 Posts: 3,456 Fly Over States	I like the way they welded the splined section into the coupling pot. Only question I didn't see answered was what kind of pressure are they assisting the newer box with? Did they perform the shim upgrade to knock the assist down to the 850 PSI range or is it still the stock 1969 pressure over assist going to the newer box?

Re: Borgeson steering box install by Rick Ehernberg [Re: PHJ426] #1357972 12/23/12 10:10 PM 12/23/12 10:10 PM
Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 3,577 Long Island, NY USA B BergmanAutoCraft master
BergmanAutoCraft master B Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 3,577 Long Island, NY USA	I did a write up on this months ago. The effort is around a stage 2 box from FF.

Re: Borgeson steering box install by Rick Ehernberg [Re: BergmanAutoCraft] #1357973 12/23/12 10:16 PM 12/23/12 10:16 PM
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PHJ426 OP master P Joined: Nov 2005 Posts: 3,456 Fly Over States	Pete did you see how they welded the splined insert into the pot coupling. Does the column still have to be cut doing the install this way? I would think knocking the assist pressure down to 850 psi would obviously add more effort to steering input. Maybe make it more like a stage 3 box?

Re: Borgeson steering box install by Rick Ehernberg [Re: PHJ426] #1357974 12/23/12 10:44 PM 12/23/12 10:44 PM
Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 3,577 Long Island, NY USA B BergmanAutoCraft master
BergmanAutoCraft master B Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 3,577 Long Island, NY USA	I have not tried playing with the pressure. I saw Ricks creation , but I doubt Borgeson will do anything. Frankly I don't think this box will be around forever due to the price. Few really appreciate what this is in my opinion. The only reason for the plunge coupler Rick made was for E bodies. And even at that, one of these cars is usually modified to be much stiffer than oe with additional bracing, etc. In that case the plunge coupler may not be necessary. All the rest have collapsible shafts to take up any play. I cut my steering shaft for the install. I would not even consider going back to a stock box.

Re: Borgeson steering box install by Rick Ehernberg [Re: PHJ426] #1357975 12/24/12 05:06 AM 12/24/12 05:06 AM
Joined: Feb 2010 Posts: 18,493 Granite Bay CA Kern Dog Striving for excellence
Kern Dog Striving for excellence Joined: Feb 2010 Posts: 18,493 Granite Bay CA	Is this something covered in Mopar Action magazine? My subscription expired...

Re: Borgeson steering box install by Rick Ehernberg [Re: Kern Dog] #1357976 12/24/12 10:44 AM 12/24/12 10:44 AM
Joined: Jan 2010 Posts: 1,442 NW Chicago suburban area Mopar Mitch pro stock
Mopar Mitch pro stock Joined: Jan 2010 Posts: 1,442 NW Chicago suburban area	current issue.. Mopar Mitch "Road racers and autocrossers go in deeper and come out harder!"... and rain never stops us from having fun with our cars... in fact, it makes us better drivers! Check out MOPAR ACTION MAGAZINE, August 2006 issue for feature article and specs on my autocross T/A!

Re: Borgeson steering box install by Rick Ehernberg [Re: Kern Dog] #1357977 12/25/12 08:23 AM 12/25/12 08:23 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 3,575 The Netherlands BigBlockMopar master
BigBlockMopar master Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 3,575 The Netherlands	It says so on the cover of MA. Too bad I can't buy a single mag on their site. This is one issue I might be interested in reading rightaway, even just in PDF-format. I've got a Borgeson-box waiting installation for my daily heap, but one of the things holding me back at the moment is the supposed need to cut the existing steeringshaft. Not sure how easy Rick could reach parts on the car in his article, but with the engine installed in my '73 Dart, there's pretty much NO room at all to cut or modify anything. Unless the entire steeringcolumn is removed from the car that is or maybe the exhaustmanifold. I think my steeringbox installation has to wait until I'm ready to pull the 318 and go for the 5.7 Hemi installment. Was there something special done to the coupler before welding? BigBlockMopar.com

Re: Borgeson steering box install by Rick Ehernberg [Re: BigBlockMopar] #1357978 12/25/12 08:44 AM 12/25/12 08:44 AM
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sshemi top fuel S Joined: Aug 2004 Posts: 2,128 sweden	Im in the procces of installng one. I dont have any mags but thats how i did it. Cut the splined part of both couplers and weld in the new splines to stock coupler. Aldough paying $130 for the borgeson coupler and only use the splined part kind of sucks. And the supplied adapter fittings only fit the box not the stock hoses. And i had to grind some on the box to even make it fit. I really do not think its worth the money no matter how good it drives. For those kind of money i dont think there should be any kind of fab involved.

Re: Borgeson steering box install by Rick Ehernberg [Re: sshemi] #1357979 12/25/12 11:35 AM 12/25/12 11:35 AM
Joined: Sep 2007 Posts: 14,889 up yours Supercuda About to go away
Supercuda About to go away Joined: Sep 2007 Posts: 14,889 up yours	Quote: I really do not think its worth the money no matter how good it drives. For those kind of money i dont think there should be any kind of fab involved. You and me brother. They say there are no such thing as a stupid question. They say there is always the exception that proves the rule. Don't be the exception.

Re: Borgeson steering box install by Rick Ehernberg [Re: Supercuda] #1357980 12/25/12 05:54 PM 12/25/12 05:54 PM
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PHJ426 OP master P Joined: Nov 2005 Posts: 3,456 Fly Over States	Rick showed the guys at Borgeson the area of the box that needs to be ground down to fit in the K frames. From the article it sounds like they will be addressing that. He also lists the place that modified the steering pot by welding in the splined insert. Incase Borgeson decides not to supply the modified pot couplers.

Re: Borgeson steering box install by Rick Ehernberg [Re: PHJ426] #1357981 12/25/12 07:47 PM 12/25/12 07:47 PM
Joined: Sep 2003 Posts: 3,437 The Naughty Spot BirdinPieces master
BirdinPieces master Joined: Sep 2003 Posts: 3,437 The Naughty Spot	I looked at it and thought it was a great idea until it came to the part about cutting off the steering shaft. The welded coupler should have been included from the very beginning. I would think it would be cheaper for them to make the coupler instead of the adapter they have now anyway. Besides, then it would be truly "bolt in"... The Bird Some are wise, and some are otherwise... Say what you want, but in the end, it is what it is...

Re: Borgeson steering box install by Rick Ehernberg [Re: BirdinPieces] #1357982 12/26/12 03:25 AM 12/26/12 03:25 AM
Joined: Nov 2008 Posts: 1,491 Lethbridge, AB, Canada dangina pro stock
dangina pro stock Joined: Nov 2008 Posts: 1,491 Lethbridge, AB, Canada	Quote: I looked at it and thought it was a great idea until it came to the part about cutting off the steering shaft. The welded coupler should have been included from the very beginning. I would think it would be cheaper for them to make the coupler instead of the adapter they have now anyway. Besides, then it would be truly "bolt in"... I think this is the only reason holding most of the mopar community back from buying it...

Re: Borgeson steering box install by Rick Ehernberg [Re: dangina] #1357983 12/26/12 04:38 AM 12/26/12 04:38 AM
Joined: Feb 2011 Posts: 4,302 Nebraska 72Swinger master
72Swinger master Joined: Feb 2011 Posts: 4,302 Nebraska	This is the reason why the Mopar community is abandoned by the aftermarket, all the pissin and moaning. Find another column shaft to cut and save the numbers matching golden nugget shaft for a rainy day. Or do what Booger did. It is an expensive box though. Borgeson products as a whole are over priced. Mopar to the bone!!!

Re: Borgeson steering box install by Rick Ehernberg [Re: 72Swinger] #1357984 12/26/12 09:03 AM 12/26/12 09:03 AM
Joined: Nov 2007 Posts: 5,337 the house on the left. C cogen80 master
cogen80 master C Joined: Nov 2007 Posts: 5,337 the house on the left.	i don't see what the big deal is about cutting your column? but i also don't know why they couldn't have made a plug and play type of thing either. seriously how hard could that have been?

Re: Borgeson steering box install by Rick Ehernberg [Re: 72Swinger] #1357985 12/26/12 02:05 PM 12/26/12 02:05 PM
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DynoDave master Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 3,704 MICHIGAN	Quote: This is the reason why the Mopar community is abandoned by the aftermarket, all the pissin and moaning. Really? I've NEVER heard a vendor use that as a reason. Generally, vendors are in business to MAKE MONEY. They'll sell to the Studebaker crowd if there's a business case to support it. And the lack of a good Mopar business case (lower volumes) has always been the reason I have heard for less support Vs. GM or Ford. And to be honest, I always felt that this lack of comparative aftermarket support made the Mopar crowd a hardier, more self sufficient bunch Vs. those who can simply order a whole car via the mail (say, the '65 Mustang for instance). Last edited by DynoDave; 12/26/12 02:07 PM. DynoDave Walter P. Chrysler Club - Great Lakes Region Member # 12304 1970 Plymouth Duster 1972 Dodge Charger Rallye https://wichargerguy.proboards.com/ 1977 Chrysler Cordoba

Re: Borgeson steering box install by Rick Ehernberg [Re: DynoDave] #1357986 12/26/12 02:44 PM 12/26/12 02:44 PM
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TC@HP2 master T Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 5,394 Pikes Peak Country	Well, I'd say the pissin' and moanin' happens in the virtual world which then leads to confusion with casual readers and translates into a reluctance to buy, which leads to even lower volumes than what mopars are already notorius for. Add to that constraint that the handling mopar crowd is THE smallest segment of the mopar hobby, and we are automatically set up for a lot of "do it yourself".

Re: Borgeson steering box install by Rick Ehernberg [Re: TC@HP2] #1357987 12/26/12 03:04 PM 12/26/12 03:04 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 42,714 Spokane Washington ScottSmith_Harms Mr Wizzard
ScottSmith_Harms Mr Wizzard Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 42,714 Spokane Washington	I'll reward inovation for something I need, especially if it saves me time, money, modifying my original parts, or all of the above, and will be the first in line to buy from the first guy who comes to bat with something complete. Such as in this case, a true bolt in no modification steering box upgrade. Offer a ready to use no welding or steering column modification required bolt in coupler, a bolt in box with no clearance grinding required, all of the appropriate hoses and fittings (and even pump if required) credit card in hand awaiting the call.

Re: Borgeson steering box install by Rick Ehernberg [Re: ScottSmith_Harms] #1357988 12/26/12 04:41 PM 12/26/12 04:41 PM
Joined: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,212 QLD Australia Keith Black® pro stock
Keith Black® pro stock Joined: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,212 QLD Australia	Does anyone have some pics? Maybe of an install? Cheers -------------------------------- Darren Beale Keith Black Racing Engines®

Re: Borgeson steering box install by Rick Ehernberg [Re: DynoDave] #1357989 12/26/12 06:12 PM 12/26/12 06:12 PM
Joined: Feb 2011 Posts: 4,302 Nebraska 72Swinger master
72Swinger master Joined: Feb 2011 Posts: 4,302 Nebraska	Quote: Quote: This is the reason why the Mopar community is abandoned by the aftermarket, all the pissin and moaning. Really? I've NEVER heard a vendor use that as a reason. Generally, vendors are in business to MAKE MONEY. They'll sell to the Studebaker crowd if there's a business case to support it. And the lack of a good Mopar business case (lower volumes) has always been the reason I have heard for less support Vs. GM or Ford. And to be honest, I always felt that this lack of comparative aftermarket support made the Mopar crowd a hardier, more self sufficient bunch Vs. those who can simply order a whole car via the mail (say, the '65 Mustang for instance). That is my point, this is nothing new. After 50 yrs we have a decent alternative to the dinosaur steering box we have been stuck with and it should also be cheap and bolt in. Mopar to the bone!!!

Re: Borgeson steering box install by Rick Ehernberg [Re: 72Swinger] #1357990 12/26/12 07:00 PM 12/26/12 07:00 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 42,714 Spokane Washington ScottSmith_Harms Mr Wizzard
ScottSmith_Harms Mr Wizzard Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 42,714 Spokane Washington	Quote: After 50 yrs we have a decent alternative to the dinosaur steering box we have been stuck with and it should also be cheap and bolt in. Actually, not IMO. I'd be happy with either or, but would prefer and pay more for one that simply bolted in. The current price tag PLUS the fab work? No thank you!

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