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Re: Gators or Belle Rose [Re: Frito] #1355751
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any other Hemi races as of today

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Re: Gators or Belle Rose [Re: j oliverio] #1355752
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Belle Rose in March and MATS in Vegas the same weekend.

Re: Gators or Belle Rose [Re: Frito] #1355753
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So did NHRA write the new rules in stone and are they clear to everyone ?

Re: 2013 - SS/AH Super Stock [Re: Defbob] #1355754
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68 cuda notch just posted for sale in milwaukie (not mine) if anyone up that way is lookin to build something...

http://milwaukee.craigslist.org/pts/3626541971.html

NHRA rules [Re: 74yellowduster] #1355755
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Erin on stock market channel expects large quantities of metal shavings to be exported to China....AS OF TODAY

External modifications prohibited , intake side of head may not be cut into any part of valve cover bolt holes (except for SS/AH). Valve-cover bolt holes must remain unaltered and in their original location (except for SS/AH).

Might just letter the car "EXCEPT"


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Re: NHRA rules [Re: Spyphish] #1355756
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What about all those bolts you had sticking out of your heads they going back on LOL

Re: NHRA rules [Re: island hemi] #1355757
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Those bolts can now be called valve cover bolts I guess

Re: NHRA rules [Re: ss/ah3480] #1355758
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Funny Island Dude mentions that. I have overheard David, Brad and Darin debate heads, rotating mass, etc etc etc many times. I am going with no heads and anything that rotates after I win the Belle Rose Viper Blue purse.

Sun is coming up in the West so move your plants.


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Re: NHRA rules [Re: Spyphish] #1355759
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How about parting with some of those big bucks you got to put in the pot for Belle Rose

Re: NHRA rules [Re: island hemi] #1355760
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How about parting with some of those big bucks you got to put in the pot for Belle Rose




I plan on it!!! All my big bucks (& does) this year were made into Rabideaux's sausage and will be in the POT at Belle Rose. Be careful what you ask for. Come by for a "roll-over".


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Re: NHRA rules [Re: Spyphish] #1355761
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So does this mean the intake side SS/AH heads can be cut back as far as you want now? The way I read it doesn't need stock valve cover bolt holes so doesn't that open this up for even more?

Re: NHRA rules [Re: KLOVE] #1355762
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I think everyone is speechless

Re: NHRA rules [Re: ss/ah3480] #1355763
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Not speechless, been out in the shop with a sawz-all. I am cutting intake to the centerline of the intake valve stem which will give us a promod size port with no head runner. Our 27 angle valve job will be cut one half on remaining head and the other half on the $217,566 dollar sheet metal intake. Of course valve jobs are coming in at $76,934. If it starts, should "haul the snail" I mean "mail".

Remember " Go forth and multiply";
and "die broke" = AH HEMI


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Re: NHRA rules [Re: Spyphish] #1355764
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External modifications prohibited , intake side of head may not be cut into any part of valve cover bolt holes (except for SS/AH). Valve-cover bolt holes must remain unaltered and in their original location (except for SS/AH).




It looks like the 1964/5 Race Hemi will have different heads now, no more hand-me-downs from the SS/AH class. Not that there are a lot of guys running those B-body RHs. Can the SS/AH guys cut them back to the valve guides? You do need to keep the guides in place, +/-1 degree.


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Re: NHRA rules [Re: mr_340] #1355765
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Was told yesterday , pour the runners and chambers, measure the valves, and anything else goes,,,,,pretty sad ;,, one more nail in the coffin for the class

FE Ford Hemi Heads [Re: ss/ah3480] #1355766
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the new heads will look like a FE Ford head. Half of the valve cover will bolt to the intake manifold. There should be some good used stuff for sale, Anyone? Dyno

UNLAWFUL thread, how appropriate [Re: Dyno1] #1355767
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RB, CW, MCH or VED heads are not all illegal, only one brand as far as I know. Not all heads in the class are illegal. The heads cant be milled into the V/C bolt at the gasket surface, thats the line that you cant cross. Its been that way since before I started racing in 1991. This isnt a big deal to anyone other than the ones that do business with someone who cant read the rules. As I told you on the phone when you called, either 6 or so people have to buy new heads, or the whole class will have to buy new one to compete with the cheaters. If they didnt enforce this rule, I would have showed you how to get creative when I milled the head till I got to the valve guide, and put a 2 inch spacer on it. I mean if you can get into the bolt, then where do you stop?

I wish everyone luck next weekend at gainsville. Now that the record is a minimum, someone new will be in teardown as we will not be there.
That brings up another point I made, my dad an I are the only cars that have been torn down at a hemi shootout for the last 3 years so this stuff has been under a towel for who knows how long.

happy Thanksgiving from the MILITIA
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A previous post from Charlie

It's a sad day at Black Hawk Hemiland. I owe my Reher Morrison team an apology. After each race I would light 'em up because we were a tenth down. I would use software to synthesize the audios from the faster Hatfield & McCoy (H&C)team cars. We knew their shift points, leave rpm, powerband and still could not compete. Darin Morgan must have been frustrated as he said our heads, which are not in the VC bolt ANYWHERE!!(like the rule said), are sonic locked at 8600. BUT H&C cars are 1500 rpm higher than us???? and making power??? ARGH! WE MISSED THE MEETING WHERE SINCE 1991 THE TOP RAIL WAS THE BOUNDARY. Meanwhile since I have had incorrect carb boosters, pinned freeze plugs (external mod) and 1/4X20 bolts etc etc I am the designated CHEATER.

Well, I am normally happy-go-lucky but since I was born on the change day for Taurus & Gemini, there are three of me in here. One of 'em is PO'ed. I will run Belle Rose so my buddies can see a Chootout and will lose first round to one of my many Hemi friends with heads that are much faster than mine.

ONE & DONE
This class is in trouble. UNLAWFUL is where it needs to stay.

On to the Super Cars. I bet R&M can make a new COPO "STAND ON ONE TIRE AND BARK LIKE A DOG".


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Re: UNLAWFUL thread, how appropriate [Re: Spyphish] #1355768
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ONE & DONE






Sorry to see the class lose another car...


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Re: UNLAWFUL thread, how appropriate [Re: SSDAcuda] #1355769
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Dude the rule didn't say "as long as a stock valve cover will lay on the head",
It said you can't cut into the bolt hole,pretty easy to understand to me......the blame
for this isn't one person, racers do things they know are flakey,it's the rule makers and
tech guys that let this happen in the end

Re: UNLAWFUL thread, how appropriate [Re: ss/ah3480] #1355770
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Jay, its one thing to cut the valve cover bolt hole, it another to relocate it.

I don't want to open another can here, I was the one pointing out originally that most Hemi heads were illegal for many years as most porters were into the bolt hole.

I personally would have been fine with milling into the bolt hole as there are a lot of non-AH super stock hemis with illegal cylinder heads today.

The SS/DA racer has legal heads on it and my new heads will be legal to the current rule. I wanted to take advantage of the AH Hemi technology, but the rule is written, its over with and I'm moving on...

My AH car is definitely legal and I have more parts to run that as a non-shootout car then I will ever need, with ALOT of worthless hemi parts on the horizon right now. All those SS hemis with illegal heads or cars that are put up for sale... AH parts out the wazoo to go 8.70's. Again, thats the rule and I'll move on.

The Super Stock racer in me though is appalled at the rule and the slaughtering of a class I've grown up to and loved. To be able to legally modify a head that much does not belong in Super Stock. Maybe an altered class in comp eliminator. Why not let the AH cars have a rack and pinion and struts? Where does it end?


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