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Re: Ladder bars on A body
[Re: Wedgeman]
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12/16/12 08:17 PM
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Just wondering what lenght did you go with? 32" or 36" thanks. Thinking about doing mine this winter.
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Re: Ladder bars on A body
[Re: Wedgeman]
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12/16/12 08:24 PM
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Anyone installed ladder bars on their A body ?
starting to install mine in my 67 Cuda....and having a little trouble with the front cross member......
Please show your pics of what you have, it will help
Dan
I don't have any pics but mine are 32in and running round tube bar and I move the wheels back 1 in and the cross member is on the frame connectors! Right at the frame rails...
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Re: Ladder bars on A body
[Re: Wedgeman]
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12/16/12 10:35 PM
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32" on my old Duster, 32" on my old Valiant and 32's on the Barracuda. Two of the cars were 10.5 tire stofk florpans and Duster was a back half car. One set of Chassis Engineering, one set of RJ Racecars and one set of Alston Chassisworks bars.
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Re: Ladder bars on A body
[Re: 1967dartgt]
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12/16/12 11:51 PM
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On the parachute mount
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my crossmember looks like Bigtimes above.
32" ladder bars from S&W, and my car has been a string of 1.23 - 1.25 recently...hooks on ice, AND thats with a radial not a slick
Once you get them set and a good setting on your shocks, they are pretty foolproof
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Re: Ladder bars on A body
[Re: Wedgeman]
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12/17/12 03:07 AM
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Ok....
I did a trial fit of all the pieces and the front cross member will sit right under the frame connector. I will have to cut a piece of 1/8in steel with a 1 3/4 hole in it, and weld that piece to the connector with the X member trough the drilled hole
I have 32 in bars
I will post pics of the fit tomorrow, may be someone will come up with a better idea
Dan
I installed 2 x 3 frame rails with the 3 inch being flat, and doing so the front ladder bar mount hit half way off of the frame rail...I cut 1/8 steel and welded it to the frame rail...did this about 4 yrs ago...using Chassisworks 32 inch ladder bars.
This is on a 71 Dart and the leaf springs were used to hold the rear end in the correct position. Also both ends of were gusseted to reinforce the 1/8 steel ..
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Re: Ladder bars on A body
[Re: n20mstr]
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12/17/12 04:29 AM
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I personally prefer the RJ design. Not sure there is any advantage other than possibly due to their design they are easier to get a lower rid height under as totally stock florpan.
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Re: Ladder bars on A body
[Re: MR_P_BODY]
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12/17/12 02:46 PM
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take the eaxhaust off, PUT the crossmember where it needs to be, then fix the exhaust.
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Re: Ladder bars on A body
[Re: Wedgeman]
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12/17/12 11:37 PM
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I see what you mean Mr Pbody..
Thaks for the precious info......
I will look closer at the exhaust tubes too...
For extra strength weld a piece of strap material to
the front side of the brackets... then weld a tube
from the strap to the frame rail... it will be on a
small angle but it adds strength and in case you
hit the trailer it tends to slide up the tube and
not plow into the brackets
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Re: Ladder bars on A body
[Re: Kiddart]
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12/29/12 10:55 AM
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I put mine right thru the subframe with a hole saw. Then cut out the bottom out slid the tube up and welded the cut out back in. The cage bar sits on a plate welded to the ladder bar mounts. Removing a section of the floor made it easy,reinstall it when done.
Doug
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Re: Ladder bars on A body
[Re: dvw]
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12/29/12 11:06 AM
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Re: Ladder bars on A body
[Re: Wedgeman]
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12/30/12 03:07 PM
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How are you supossed to change the front of the ladderbar?
Looks a little bit of to me!
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Re: Ladder bars on A body
[Re: Wedgeman]
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12/30/12 03:07 PM
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Pic of the angle
Is this all wrong ? should the holes be vertical so you can adjust the front of the bars up and down ?
the way he got it. you not adjusting anything on that ? 
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Re: Ladder bars on A body
[Re: VernMotor]
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12/30/12 04:21 PM
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Pic of the angle
Is this all wrong ? should the holes be vertical so you can adjust the front of the bars up and down ?
the way he got it. you not adjusting anything on that ?
Like said here... you have it all wrong.. the front
mounting holes need to be VERTICAL .... thats not
what I meant by 30-40 degrees APPLIED angle
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Re: Ladder bars on A body
[Re: Wedgeman]
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12/30/12 06:54 PM
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Ok I just saw my mistake...!!!
got them wrong in the welding process....
First question: what is the effect of moving the bars up or down ?
Well with going in to a long response //that is how you in part adjust them.
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Re: Ladder bars on A body
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12/30/12 06:55 PM
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Very nice dvw! Whose parts did you use?
Parts are S&W, 36" bars. As to the bracket pic above that might actually work. Think about it. Cars that like the instant center further down probably like it further forward as well. As you adjusted down it would come forward as well. There would have to be enough tire clearance at the front of the well as long as enough for the driveshaft. Would it work? I'm already trying enough off the wall stuff myself , but never say never. Here's the back of mine.
Doug
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Re: Ladder bars on A body
[Re: dvw]
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12/30/12 07:57 PM
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the higher the bar angle the harder hit for a shorter time, lower angle less hit but longer time. Is the short version. If you have stock front suspension (at least 6" of travel)Set your ladder bar around 2* down AT RIDE Height and you will be fine.
Thats the short version, i can't type enough for all of it.
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Re: Ladder bars on A body
[Re: MR_P_BODY]
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12/30/12 09:23 PM
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Pic of the angle
Is this all wrong ? should the holes be vertical so you can adjust the front of the bars up and down ?
the way he got it. you not adjusting anything on that ?
Like said here... you have it all wrong.. the front
mounting holes need to be VERTICAL .... thats not
what I meant by 30-40 degrees APPLIED angle
Please explain, because I'm getting more and more confused here.......
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Re: Ladder bars on A body
[Re: Wedgeman]
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12/30/12 11:48 PM
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Like Bigtime shows is correct... being that the axle centerline is 16" and the front is 12" is ok BUT the ladder bars are lower than the center of the axle... if you set the pinion at zero then measure the drop to the lower bar you will see its lower... you want the bar to angle down in front about 5* on the bottom hole.. that way you can always raise it up... the problem most guys have is they cant get the front of the bar low enough Here is a pic of mine before I put the support bar on the front of it
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Re: Ladder bars on A body
[Re: Wedgeman]
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12/30/12 11:59 PM
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is the rear axel set at the ride height that you want?? if not then thats the first thing you need to set, then set the ladder bars level to the car and then use the center hole of the front bracket with the holes in a vertical position, you will need to attach the crossmember at that point,,my first attempt at this was with a round tube crossmember and it actually hung below the subframe connector, worked that way for years untill I went to a dana and from 32" bars to 36" S@W's and lowered the car somewhat,I then went to a 2X3 front crossmember with 5 adjusting holes.
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Re: Ladder bars on A body
[Re: dartman366]
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12/31/12 12:47 AM
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is the rear axel set at the ride height that you want?? if not then thats the first thing you need to set, then set the ladder bars level to the car and then use the center hole of the front bracket with the holes in a vertical position, you will need to attach the crossmember at that point,,my first attempt at this was with a round tube crossmember and it actually hung below the subframe connector, worked that way for years untill I went to a dana and from 32" bars to 36" [Email]S@W's[/Email] and lowered the car somewhat,I then went to a 2X3 front crossmember with 5 adjusting holes.
Yes the axle is set at ride height, and the bar is leveled to the car.....
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Re: Ladder bars on A body
[Re: Wedgeman]
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12/31/12 12:59 AM
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is the rear axel set at the ride height that you want?? if not then thats the first thing you need to set, then set the ladder bars level to the car and then use the center hole of the front bracket with the holes in a vertical position, you will need to attach the crossmember at that point,,my first attempt at this was with a round tube crossmember and it actually hung below the subframe connector, worked that way for years untill I went to a dana and from 32" bars to 36" [Email]S@W's[/Email] and lowered the car somewhat,I then went to a 2X3 front crossmember with 5 adjusting holes.
Yes the axle is set at ride height, and the bar is leveled to the car.....
In what hole... you always want to be able to get
it down in the front... higher the HP the lower the
front of the bar tends to be
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Re: Ladder bars on A body
[Re: Wedgeman]
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12/31/12 01:16 PM
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This may make me an A$$ O but stop what you are doing and get some help locally. The advice you have been given so far is spot on but you don’t seem to understand what the ladder bars are trying do much less the physics involved.
I know we all have to learn some time but this is one you need hands on advice.
By today’s standards it is taboo to cut and splice the cross member (especially to clear an exhaust) the ramification of you efforts so far are going to cost you additional $$$ and potentially harm yourself, your car or others.
I do appreciate your desire to do it yourself and aplaud your initiative. But get some local help and do it right.
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Re: Ladder bars on A body
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12/31/12 01:43 PM
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This may make me an A$$ O but stop what you are doing and get some help locally. The advice you have been given so far is spot on but you don’t seem to understand what the ladder bars are trying do much less the physics involved.
I know we all have to learn some time but this is one you need hands on advice.
By today’s standards it is taboo to cut and splice the cross member (especially to clear an exhaust) the ramification of you efforts so far are going to cost you additional $$$ and potentially harm yourself, your car or others.
I do appreciate your desire to do it yourself and aplaud your initiative. But get some local help and do it right.
I have been watching this post and I have to agree with you,,,while I applaud the op's intentions to do things on hs own I will have to say it's one thing to read a post on a forum than have someone with prior experience give a helping hand in sorting it all out,,,too bad I dont live closer as I would love to help out and get it as right as I know how, if nothing else than to save a lot of aggrivation in the future. 
Light travels faster than the speed of sound,,,this is why some people seem bright untill you hear them speak.
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Re: Ladder bars on A body
[Re: dartman366]
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12/31/12 05:53 PM
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This may make me an A$$ O but stop what you are doing and get some help locally. The advice you have been given so far is spot on but you don’t seem to understand what the ladder bars are trying do much less the physics involved.
I know we all have to learn some time but this is one you need hands on advice.
By today’s standards it is taboo to cut and splice the cross member (especially to clear an exhaust) the ramification of you efforts so far are going to cost you additional $$$ and potentially harm yourself, your car or others.
I do appreciate your desire to do it yourself and aplaud your initiative. But get some local help and do it right.
I have been watching this post and I have to agree with you,,,while I applaud the op's intentions to do things on hs own I will have to say it's one thing to read a post on a forum than have someone with prior experience give a helping hand in sorting it all out,,,too bad I dont live closer as I would love to help out and get it as right as I know how, if nothing else than to save a lot of aggrivation in the future.
I think I'm gonna have to agree here... the way he has
cut the front cross bar he has increases the leverage
arm on the mounting points at the frame rails... you
have to deal with the chassis FIRST then you worry
about little things like the exhaust... NEVER sacrifice
the rigidity of the chassis due to unneeded leverages
that are in a bad way... some things the leverage
helps but not in the places he has it
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