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Tremec 5 Speed #1349434
12/11/12 09:18 AM
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Getting deep in my Cuda project and trying to decide on trans. How much cutting and fabbing is needed to install the Tremec 5 speed in and E Body. The car already has the "stick" tunnel, so what needs to be torn up, if ness.

Or should I just wait for Jamie's 5 speed.

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Re: Tremec 5 Speed [Re: DANA60] #1349435
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Obiviously you missed the thread by a few days, go read "Shaker sitting low" thread in the Restorarion section should you want to run a Tremec from some of the various vendors....Should you decide Passon is your cup of tea, the final OD ratio is .70


Tremec OD is available from .82 .68 and .64...1 thru 4 gear spreds have two option

Mike

Re: Tremec 5 Speed [Re: DANA60] #1349436
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I can't speak for a e body but after putting one in a b body I'd wait on Jamie's transmission. I'm fairly happy with mine but for what I spent to make it that way of his transmission would've been on the market that's the route I would've took.

Re: Tremec 5 Speed [Re: DANA60] #1349437
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Not too bad if you're willing to settle for a less than optimum driveline angle, quite a bit if you want it "right". I have no regrets about going the Keisler/Tremec route. Unlike what I've heard from some others on this board I actually did get good customer service from Keisler. From everything I've seen, the Passion unit will be a superior choice once they get everything ironed out. On the otherhand I've had the benefit of overdrive for almost ten years now. If you wait long enought there will always be something better to come along. The question is how long are you willing to wait? Keisler has been advertising their new "made in the USA" transmission for a awhile now, but I don't know if they have an "E" body version of it yet. Mine is an early TKO and there is a fairly large spread between 1st. and 2nd. gear. First actually has more gear reduction than you can really use. The newer ones are better in this regard.

Re: Tremec 5 Speed [Re: roadrunner7020] #1349438
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I can't speak for a e body but after putting one in a b body I'd wait on Jamie's transmission. I'm fairly happy with mine but for what I spent to make it that way of his transmission would've been on the market that's the route I would've took.









I don't know what costs you inccurred on your B body install, the Passon 5 spd is $4200 that's just the tranny, you supply everything else,...My Keisler B body TKO 600 .64 OD 5spd set up was $4500, that's transmission, bellhousing and cover, SFI flywheel, Sachs BorgBeck pressure plate, Sachs Kelvar clutch, hyd throw out bearing/master, repro pistol grip shifter and shifter boot, crossmember, and mount, and a balanced 10,000 RPM new driveshaft and joints, speedocable, and assorted hardware,...The last kit I did came in at $4300 complete as mentioned above


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Re: Tremec 5 Speed [Re: DANA60] #1349439
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Quote:

Getting deep in my Cuda project and trying to decide on trans. How much cutting and fabbing is needed to install the Tremec 5 speed in and E Body. The car already has the "stick" tunnel, so what needs to be torn up, if ness.

Or should I just wait for Jamie's 5 speed.




I had one in my 62 b body and if you got lots of HP & Torque forget it, If your going to shift it over 6k forget it!also you'll more than likly have to cut the hump as the shifter sits on top not off set.I sold mine went to an automatic in stead

Re: Tremec 5 Speed [Re: 1962Savoy] #1349440
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one of my friends that is a road racer says if at a race you see 2 or more guys talking and at least one has a calloway corvette or a viper that one of them is asking around for a core t56 to build-----before you offer up that they can be built up are you saying calloway or viper is putting the weak units out the door? the formula is if you have 600-700 hp and are trying to win you will be breaking transmissions-----heres hoping the passon units are a superior design....bob

Re: Tremec 5 Speed [Re: savoy64] #1349441
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I'd believe the corvette guys are looking for cores to build, but the viper spec units? I've heard of a lot of Viper guys pushing 700-800 through their T56s without any problems. their weak point is when you start making over 900 hp, like on a twin turbo viper.

but, road racing is abusive, and can be hard on production line syncros and stuff, which can be upgraded.


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Re: Tremec 5 Speed [Re: 1962Savoy] #1349442
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it!also you'll more than likly have to cut the hump as the shifter sits on top not off set.






The OP is doing an E body, not a B body, the Keisler E body Tremec 500/600 TKO shifter is located in the factory position, with or without factory console, I've done A,B.E applications, the 68-70 B console shifter applications are located correctly, the 71-4 B Body console and non console bucket seat applications are located correctly, as are the 70-74 E body consle and non console shifter locations, bench seat applications are located off center 3" from factory location, with the exception of the 71 B body bench, an application I engineered along with Keisler Engineering, I don't know if it hit production yet, if at all, but i have done one B body 71 benchseat application with the factory bench pistolgrip exiting thru the factory bench location

Mike


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Thanks for the answers so far. If the angle is wrong, then what's the point. Cutting and all comes secondary (as well as shifter local) to me. Although I would rather not have to deal with that either.

Also, this will be a HEMI car and I see that the 600 max torque spec will come into play. So if the HP and Tor. is high, then should I bother?

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Re: Tremec 5 Speed [Re: DANA60] #1349444
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I'm upgrading and installing a t56 into my car. No kit for this. I will be cutting whatever I have to in order to get the proper driveline angle. You can do anything if you're not afraid to cut up your car.

Have you considered jamie's OD gearset for the 833? Gears 1-3 are basically the same as 727 with 4th being .80. The OD ratio isn't as good as the .64 available in the TKO's however if you're building for max torq and didn't need to run a super high rear gear it could still be a good combo. And you know everything will fit right because the guts go inside a regular 833.

Re: Tremec 5 Speed [Re: DANA60] #1349445
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Thanks for the answers so far. If the angle is wrong, then what's the point. Cutting and all comes secondary (as well as shifter local) to me. Although I would rather not have to deal with that either.

Also, this will be a HEMI car and I see that the 600 max torque spec will come into play. So if the HP and Tor. is high, then should I bother?






I've installed several Keisler TKO 5 spd's behind HEMI equipped Mopars with no issues, and the customers have flogged the cars with no parts breakage...

If your going to go raceing with slicks, then anything can break, but if your building a nice street/strip car with 500-600HP and up to 700 ft lbs of torque the TKO can handle it, if your not willing, or can't be bothered to modify your car to accept a TKO properly installed, then a TKO isn't for you...

Mike

Re: Tremec 5 Speed [Re: DaytonaTurbo] #1349446
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I'm upgrading and installing a t56 into my car. No kit for this. I will be cutting whatever I have to in order to get the proper driveline angle. You can do anything if you're not afraid to cut up your car.

Have you considered jamie's OD gearset for the 833? Gears 1-3 are basically the same as 727 with 4th being .80. The OD ratio isn't as good as the .64 available in the TKO's however if you're building for max torq and didn't need to run a super high rear gear it could still be a good combo. And you know everything will fit right because the guts go inside a regular 833.




Your talking about Jaime's 4 speed OD setup, not his yet to be released 5 speed OD setup which was the unit being talked about.


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Re: Tremec 5 Speed [Re: Supercuda] #1349447
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I'm upgrading and installing a t56 into my car. No kit for this. I will be cutting whatever I have to in order to get the proper driveline angle. You can do anything if you're not afraid to cut up your car.

Have you considered jamie's OD gearset for the 833? Gears 1-3 are basically the same as 727 with 4th being .80. The OD ratio isn't as good as the .64 available in the TKO's however if you're building for max torq and didn't need to run a super high rear gear it could still be a good combo. And you know everything will fit right because the guts go inside a regular 833.




Your talking about Jaime's 4 speed OD setup, not his yet to be released 5 speed OD setup which was the unit being talked about.




Yes I am talking about his 4 speed OD gearset rather than his 5 speed, which while would it looks very nice is not yet on the market. The 4sp is still an option if the OP wants something he can buy now.

Re: Tremec 5 Speed [Re: DaytonaTurbo] #1349448
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I put the Keisler TKO in a '70 Challenger. Originally auto. Prep was two steps. First was to put in a standard 4 speed hump. Next there is a tight place in the tunnel, especially on 70's manufactured in California. Keissler supplied an extra piece of sheet metal. I cut out a small section of the tunnel per instructions and welded in the extra piece to create more clearance. The trans fit perfectly and I was able to shim up the trans mount to dial the driveshaft angle right in.

Re: Tremec 5 Speed [Re: ahy] #1349449
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The TKO-600 tunnel mod described above


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Re: Tremec 5 Speed [Re: DaytonaTurbo] #1349450
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Have you considered jamie's OD gearset for the 833? Gears 1-3 are basically the same as 727 with 4th being .80. The OD ratio isn't as good as the .64 available in the TKO's however if you're building for max torq and didn't need to run a super high rear gear it could still be a good combo. And you know everything will fit right because the guts go inside a regular 833.




I did use his 4 sp OD in my HEMI Dart, nice enough unit, but I was looking for something a little "newer". The engine will have in the 670 or more HP, so whatever I use will need to be strong. Jamie says that the units are for "early sping" delivery.

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