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Re: cable or solid rod for gas pedal
[Re: 70dusterjohn]
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12/10/12 03:46 PM
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dartman366
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Bob, I am running a Indy intake with a 2" spacer and a Jegs throttle cable bracket in mine and it has the origional slant six cable,,as said earlier they are a little longer. 
Light travels faster than the speed of sound,,,this is why some people seem bright untill you hear them speak.
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Re: cable or solid rod for gas pedal
[Re: dartman366]
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12/10/12 03:59 PM
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therocks
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I run a /6 cable in my 65 B with MI and Dominator.Plenty of length.My kids 62 300 runs a stock solid rod with Holley intake and carb.He has never had any problems.We both run Poly mounts.Rocky
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Re: cable or solid rod for gas pedal
[Re: MR_P_BODY]
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12/10/12 06:11 PM
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jamesc
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I prefer a cable BUT if you run fast enough its mandatory
to have a foot loop and hard rod... I use the Locar
the fastest cars in the world use a cable
i was under the impression all were required to have a toe clip though if i read this correctly a cable system is not required to have a toe clip...either way any throttle i use will have one.
NHRA general regulations read as follows
1:12 THROTTLE
Regardless of class, each car must have a foot throttle incorporating
a positive-acting return spring attached directly to the
carburetor/injector throttle arm. A positive stop or override prevention
must be used to keep linkage from passing over center and sticking
in an open position. In addition to return springs, some means of
manually returning the throttle to a closed position by use of the foot
must be installed on all altered linkage systems except hydraulically
or cable-operated systems. Per Class Requirements throttle control
must be manually operated by driver’s foot; electronics, pneumatics,
hydraulics, or any other device may in no way affect the initial throttle
operation. In Super Street, Super Gas, Super Comp, and certain
E.T. bracket classes, timed throttle stops are permitted that use
pneumatics and or electronics to modulate the throttle after initial
launch. Cable throttle systems permitted. NHRA-accepted hand
controls for the physically challenged permitted. Choke cables and
brazed or welded fittings on steel cable prohibited. No part of throttle
linkage may extend below framerails.
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Re: cable or solid rod for gas pedal
[Re: VernMotor]
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12/10/12 09:44 PM
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Dabee
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Have had a lot of problems with the Lokar cable..not a good grade of cable. good for a street rod.
Agree the cables fray. I replaced my lokar cable with a rod last year.
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Re: cable or solid rod for gas pedal
[Re: junkyardmaxie]
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12/10/12 09:56 PM
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dvw
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cable wont reach carb to short .M1 INTAKE WITH 2" SPACER .has any one change over to solid rod ? whats involved ? pictures . or just buy a new adjustable cable kit from summmit? input please THANKS [/quote
Stock six cylinder cable reaches to the front carb no problem.
Doug
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Re: cable or solid rod for gas pedal
[Re: jamesc]
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12/10/12 10:09 PM
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Romeo MI
MR_P_BODY
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I prefer a cable BUT if you run fast enough its mandatory
to have a foot loop and hard rod... I use the Locar
the fastest cars in the world use a cable
i was under the impression all were required to have a toe clip though if i read this correctly a cable system is not required to have a toe clip...either way any throttle i use will have one.
NHRA general regulations read as follows
1:12 THROTTLE
Regardless of class, each car must have a foot throttle incorporating
a positive-acting return spring attached directly to the
carburetor/injector throttle arm. A positive stop or override prevention
must be used to keep linkage from passing over center and sticking
in an open position. In addition to return springs, some means of
manually returning the throttle to a closed position by use of the foot
must be installed on all altered linkage systems except hydraulically
or cable-operated systems. Per Class Requirements throttle control
must be manually operated by driver’s foot; electronics, pneumatics,
hydraulics, or any other device may in no way affect the initial throttle
operation. In Super Street, Super Gas, Super Comp, and certain
E.T. bracket classes, timed throttle stops are permitted that use
pneumatics and or electronics to modulate the throttle after initial
launch. Cable throttle systems permitted. NHRA-accepted hand
controls for the physically challenged permitted. Choke cables and
brazed or welded fittings on steel cable prohibited. No part of throttle
linkage may extend below framerails.
Pretty hard to PUSH a cable unless its BIG like on
my steering on my boat(which is 1/2" small diameter)...
but I could be wrong here
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Re: cable or solid rod for gas pedal
[Re: RodStRace]
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12/10/12 10:20 PM
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MR_P_BODY
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Morse cable, like a shifter...
http://www.jegs.com/p/JEGS-Performance-P...763984/10002/-1
Yes.. they are a contained housing over the inner...
but I think MOST of us have a free length of inner
cable exposed which if you try to push just flexes
as in the pic above.... granted I use a cable with
twin return springs per NHRA
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Re: cable or solid rod for gas pedal
[Re: jamesc]
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12/10/12 11:00 PM
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Crizila
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Cable. Makes life a lot easier.
Fastest 300
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Re: cable or solid rod for gas pedal
[Re: Crizila]
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12/10/12 11:31 PM
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Leon441
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I bought a lokar cable years ago. I went for the bling. It consisted of brackets and stops. But the worst was the housing. It was just a teflon braided line. Well guess what the cable cut into the teflon and the throttle hung. I use motorcycle or bicycle cable housing now. And buy the inner cable at lowes. Been working for years.
Career best 8.02 @ 169 at 3050# and 10" tires small block power.
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Re: cable or solid rod for gas pedal
[Re: Leon441]
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12/10/12 11:49 PM
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MR_P_BODY
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I bought a lokar cable years ago. I went for the bling. It consisted of brackets and stops. But the worst was the housing. It was just a teflon braided line. Well guess what the cable cut into the teflon and the throttle hung. I use motorcycle or bicycle cable housing now. And buy the inner cable at lowes. Been working for years.
Being that I worked in the Fuel and exhaust lab I
made my own cables for my set up... the first week
or so when I built my car I used the old throttle
cable (/6) and of course it broke launching off the
line... so I made a new one and made a back up...
and based on Murphy's law... since I have 2 it will
never break.... and it hasnt since... lol
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Re: cable or solid rod for gas pedal
[Re: 3404]
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12/11/12 12:11 PM
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CMcAllister
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A morse cable will push as well as pull, stock type cables will not. The choice between a morse cable and a solid linkage will depend on the application and preference. A cable does allow more creativity. Anything beyond a stock OE/street type set-up, I personally would not use a stock style cable and I would have some kind of a toe hook on the pedal. I like the idea of being able to pull the throttle shut with my foot.
If the results don't match the theory, change the theory.
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Re: cable or solid rod for gas pedal
[Re: Crizila]
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12/11/12 09:23 PM
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cudaman1969
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I always had faster reaction times with a rod, I guess because of more friction with a cable with bends.
I used to have that problem - - - - when I was 20!!  [/quote
Silly guy ha ha 
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Re: cable or solid rod for gas pedal
[Re: 3404]
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12/11/12 09:27 PM
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ProSport
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My DartSport had a solid rod, once setup it was easy to use and no maintenance.
My 69 Dart had a cable and boy did I have headaches with it. I bought a good stainless bicycle cable and redrilled the gas pedal so the cable was aimed perfectly straight into the cable tube. The main thing is that the cable can not have any extra tension on it after the carb has reached full throttle!
If there is even a tiny amount of play left in the gas pedal after full throttle you will break the cable. I broke 3 before I got it all figured out.
1970 Challenger, all aluminum 528 Hemi, HDK suspension, Tremec 5 speed manual
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Re: cable or solid rod for gas pedal
[Re: ProSport]
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12/11/12 09:51 PM
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sg66mopar
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These people will make you any kind of cable you need. Most of the racers in the Portland (Oregon) area, including myself, buy throttle cables from them. http://www.instrumentsales.com/(503) 239-0754 (800) 333-7976 The last one I bought was last year. It's about 18" long, bullet proof and only cost about 40 bucks, built to my specs.
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Re: cable or solid rod for gas pedal
[Re: sg66mopar]
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12/12/12 01:01 PM
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Niles , Ohio
therocks
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Gus I have the same bracket.I got it from Mancinis for like 20 bucks at Carlisle.Works great with the M1 and Dominator.Rocky
Chrysler Firepower
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Re: cable or solid rod for gas pedal
[Re: therocks]
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12/12/12 01:11 PM
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bigtimeauto
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All cars that leave my shop to be raced have a solid rod and a toe clip for safety.
BB, TT5,Procharged 3300lb Street Car 4.79/154
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