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Re: OE - Level Judging
[Re: Mr D21]
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12/08/12 04:17 PM
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ScottSmith_Harms
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Slippery slope. Keep in mind that it doesn't matter how expensive, how difficult, or how impossible the goal may seem, the bottom line is that you are trying to duplicate the EXACT appearance of an original production line original car. ANY deviation (if recognized by the judges) can cost you points. Keep in mind that producing a "perfect" example regardless of the car you start with will be nearly impossible, you can only hope to incur the smallest amount of deductions and reach the level that you set out to accomplish. It is typically a VERY expensive way to go. You can learn more about O.E. judging here: ICCA O.E. judging
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Re: OE - Level Judging
[Re: Mr D21]
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12/08/12 04:49 PM
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good point - Im in NorCal and doubt that I will be shipping a car to the Nationals for judging, but definately will go to the Spring Fling.
I think you should discuss this with our head judge at Spring Fling to get a feel for things. He is not just a head judge but uniquely a person that has wholly himself restored Mopars to a very high level of recognition.
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Re: OE - Level Judging
[Re: Stewpar]
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12/08/12 06:51 PM
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I know one of the OE Nats judges lives in California.... 
I know of two. Another that did it before Dan Helfat.
...Costs, equiptment, and most of all getting enough cars. 
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Re: OE - Level Judging
[Re: autoxcuda]
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12/08/12 09:29 PM
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Steve, have you guys started to do O.E. Judging at S.F.?
Other than the few times the ICCA has done it at the MAPS I've never seen a true O.E. judging program anywhere west of the Rockies.
No. Too low of demand and too high of resources.
Exactly. Most of the OE cars and people willing to take them to events are on the east coast.
We at Spring Fling do not judge to a "level" like gold, silver, bronze. We pick 1st, 2nd, 3rd, etc to the cars that are present in the class that day.
In theory if two cars that won OE gold at Nationals were at Spring Fling in the same class one would place higher than the next. Chances of that happening are extremely low at best.
The O.E. judging is car being judged for its own merit and not against any other car or car.wp
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Re: OE - Level Judging
[Re: 70 buzz]
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12/08/12 09:35 PM
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The O.E. judging is car being judged for its own merit and not against any other car or car.wp
I don't think "ECS Dave" would agree with that statement! 
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Re: OE - Level Judging
[Re: 70 buzz]
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12/08/12 10:58 PM
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Steve, have you guys started to do O.E. Judging at S.F.?
Other than the few times the ICCA has done it at the MAPS I've never seen a true O.E. judging program anywhere west of the Rockies.
No. Too low of demand and too high of resources.
Exactly. Most of the OE cars and people willing to take them to events are on the east coast.
We at Spring Fling do not judge to a "level" like gold, silver, bronze. We pick 1st, 2nd, 3rd, etc to the cars that are present in the class that day.
In theory if two cars that won OE gold at Nationals were at Spring Fling in the same class one would place higher than the next. Chances of that happening are extremely low at best.
The O.E. judging is car being judged for its own merit and not against any other car or car.wp
That's why I said "No" because we do not offer that type of judging program; which I assume you mean judging to Original Equiptment against a standard with awards given at levels under that standard.
Do you think the first car that won OE Gold at Mopar Nationals could win OE Gold again if preserved in the same state it was that first year?
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Re: OE - Level Judging
[Re: autoxcuda]
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12/10/12 01:44 PM
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Yes the four door won that year. Boy did on that one amoung the other car owners. oh well, life goes on. 
Last edited by Troy; 12/10/12 02:24 PM.
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Re: OE - Level Judging
[Re: gtx6970]
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12/10/12 02:16 PM
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I remember that car well.
No one has ever answered my question, HOW could that car be judeged OE ?
You are referring to the 1970 Satelite/Belvedere 4 door?
Did it go through Mopar National OE level judging once? IIRC, I saw it listed once in a Senior Stock trophy list
It was around 15 years ago it was at Spring Flings. I remember there were pictures of it in a magazine.
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Re: OE - Level Judging
[Re: autoxcuda]
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12/10/12 07:03 PM
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I remember that car well.
No one has ever answered my question, HOW could that car be judeged OE ?
You are referring to the 1970 Satelite/Belvedere 4 door? Yes
Did it go through Mopar National OE level judging once? Yes
With an air grabber hood and 15" rallyes, neither of which were avail on a 4 door satellite as far as I know of
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Re: OE - Level Judging
[Re: 44D6PAKCUDA]
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12/10/12 11:51 PM
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It did not have the two options on it the years it was judged. It also never went through OE. It won senior division. I have kept the list of all OE cars since 1994, not to mention I have known Dan and judged the nats since 1995. Here is the car in 1997. 14" Rallyes and no air grabber. Maybe someone was thinking of a simlar car? Having competed in the OE field of the nats six times, I can tell you it is a very daunting task-though I think most of you guys here are pretty sharp and already knew that.
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Re: OE - Level Judging
[Re: Paul Jacobs]
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12/10/12 11:56 PM
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Paul is correct with everything posted above. The car never did go through OE, but I feel it would have done well if it had. I am sure the when he won the spring fling. Just like when an AMC won best of show at the nats one year. Regardless, the car is flawless and has to be judged on it's own merits and not popularity.........
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Re: OE - Level Judging
[Re: Stewpar]
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12/11/12 01:33 AM
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Today? Who Knows?
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When I saw it at Spring Fling there was no Airgrabber or even a bulge hood.. And it had 14" Rallies... The only thing I saw that wasn't right was Dual Exhaust... I don't believe that was available with a 318 though I could be wrong...
It did have Power Windows, Cruise Control, A/C, Rear Defog, Deluxe Seat Belts... Highly optioned & a very high level resto... While it wasn't a car I would have wanted I did think it deserved the award...
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Re: OE - Level Judging
[Re: Stewpar]
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12/11/12 11:50 AM
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I am sure the when he won the spring fling. Just like when an AMC won best of show at the nats one year. Regardless, the car is flawless and has to be judged on it's own merits and not popularity.........
 I had a similar incident wit ha 73 or 74 318 B body in the 71-74 class at a show that placed well , might have given it first , it was a very low mile unrestored car and it was better than the high performance models in the same class .
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