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SB Mopar Race Block #1342771
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PN# on the block is a P5153477-340
PN# on the box is a P4876673AD (not sure if the
box is original to the block)
I searched a bit with the casting# but no luck
just trying to find out if I do have a 48*,4 bolt 9.6deck,siamese bore, dry sump block?
any help?


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Re: SB Mopar Race Block [Re: Stroker Scamp] #1342772
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BLOCKS
B. Race Blocks- Cast Iron, R3
Building on Mopar heritage, the "R3" race block family offers the latest in design
technology along with the options to meet your specific needs.
Features:
· Process-controlled castings utilizing high-strength cast iron
· 100% CNC machining with full statistical process control
· Thick deck surface and six-bolt cylinder head attachment
(48° blocks) for improved sealing and reliability
· Various options that provide deck height potentials
of 8.900-inch to 9.600-inch
· Tappet angles in both 59° (stock) and 48° are available
(improved valve train geometry)
(59° blocks are not recommended for use with roller tappets)
· Thicker main webbing and pan rail for improved rigidity
· Four-bolt mains in your choice of ductile iron or billet steel
· Machined for "LA" and Magnum head oiling, as well as engine mounts
1 P5153743 Block, Cast Iron, Race, 340 Replacement, Siamese-bore,
4.175" Rough Bore
1 P4876671AD Block, Cast Iron, Race, "R3", Siamese-bore, 3.998" Rough
Bore, 9.000" Deck Height
1 P4876381AB Block, Cast Iron, Race, "R3", Siamese-bore, 4.050" Rough
Bore, 9.025" Deck Height
1 P4876791AD Block, Cast Iron, Race, "R3", Siamese-bore, 3.998" Rough
Bore, 9.200" Deck Height
1 P4876673AD Block, Cast Iron, Race, "R3", Siamese-bore, 3.998" Rough
Bore, 9.600" Deck Height

Not sure on the casting number, it is my understanding several part numbers share the same casting number.

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Re: SB Mopar Race Block [Re: Stroker Scamp] #1342773
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I found P4876673AB in one of my books... the letters
are updates to it and I dont know what was updated...
but what I show is 9.560 deck, siamese,4-bolt iron
caps,48*, 318/340 mains with note 1 with is 48* cam
tunnel requires cam bearings p4876372 and cam UGL
p4876633 or p4876634

Re: SB Mopar Race Block [Re: Stroker Scamp] #1342774
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Is the intake valley solid or does it have the normal
drain holes... solid is the dry sump

Re: SB Mopar Race Block [Re: MR_P_BODY] #1342775
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Weren't the dry sump blocks short deck? Is the stock oil filter mounting boss machined if so it's a wet sump, unmachined dry sump.


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Re: SB Mopar Race Block [Re: Plumb Wired] #1342776
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the intake valley has 4 raised threaded holes right down the middle and it does have the oil filter machined in

Re: SB Mopar Race Block [Re: Stroker Scamp] #1342777
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That block is 9.56 deck siamese 48 degree wet sump,3.998 rough bore finish,48 degree cam tunnel requires cam bearing P4876372 and cam ugl P4876633 or P4876634. The only dry sump R3 still listed by Mopar is P4876381AB,which is 9.025 deck siamese 48 degree.

Re: SB Mopar Race Block [Re: b1dartsport] #1342778
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Mike,
Are you sure that you don't want to sell me that block? It would save you alot of money and time. Just trying to help you out

Re: SB Mopar Race Block [Re: Stroker Scamp] #1342779
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Fyi restoration blocks are R blocks also....there showing as of last week 12 48* blocks in stock and the price is 2400+ which is good.

Re: SB Mopar Race Block [Re: greendart408] #1342780
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Mike,
Are you sure that you don't want to sell me that block? It would save you alot of money and time. Just trying to help you out




hey yours is running strong, been searching for some W8/9 heads to get the next build goin


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Re: SB Mopar Race Block [Re: fishy340] #1342781
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Fyi restoration blocks are R blocks also....there showing as of last week 12 48* blocks in stock and the price is 2400+ which is good.


A Resto Block is a 59 degree wet sump 9.60 R3 with the extra head bolt bosses machined off and the lifter valley opened up. If you want to run a conventional roller lifter like a Crane Ultra Pro it takes a lot of carefull work with a die grinder and sonic checker,but there are some drop in lifters made by Comp. 48* is a much better set up with an R3, its just a pain to locate the goofy cam cores.

Re: SB Mopar Race Block [Re: b1dartsport] #1342782
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Fyi restoration blocks are R blocks also....there showing as of last week 12 48* blocks in stock and the price is 2400+ which is good.


A Resto Block is a 59 degree wet sump 9.60 R3 with the extra head bolt bosses machined off and the lifter valley opened up. If you want to run a conventional roller lifter like a Crane Ultra Pro it takes a lot of carefull work with a die grinder and sonic checker,but there are some drop in lifters made by Comp. 48* is a much better set up with an R3, its just a pain to locate the goofy cam cores.




Yeah... I have 1 UGL cam left for my engine

Re: SB Mopar Race Block [Re: MR_P_BODY] #1342783
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Fyi restoration blocks are R blocks also....there showing as of last week 12 48* blocks in stock and the price is 2400+ which is good.


A Resto Block is a 59 degree wet sump 9.60 R3 with the extra head bolt bosses machined off and the lifter valley opened up. If you want to run a conventional roller lifter like a Crane Ultra Pro it takes a lot of carefull work with a die grinder and sonic checker,but there are some drop in lifters made by Comp. 48* is a much better set up with an R3, its just a pain to locate the goofy cam cores.




Yeah... I have 1 UGL cam left for my engine




so are the cams for this block hard to get ahold of? expensive too?


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Re: SB Mopar Race Block [Re: Stroker Scamp] #1342784
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Not super common, I have a 55mm one i would sell. I think they get around 475 for a new one ground.


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Fyi restoration blocks are R blocks also....there showing as of last week 12 48* blocks in stock and the price is 2400+ which is good.


A Resto Block is a 59 degree wet sump 9.60 R3 with the extra head bolt bosses machined off and the lifter valley opened up. If you want to run a conventional roller lifter like a Crane Ultra Pro it takes a lot of carefull work with a die grinder and sonic checker,but there are some drop in lifters made by Comp. 48* is a much better set up with an R3, its just a pain to locate the goofy cam cores.




Yeah... I have 1 UGL cam left for my engine




so are the cams for this block hard to get ahold of? expensive too?




My understanding is they are pretty hard to find and
yes they are pricey and then you still need to have
it ground... all in all it can be $600 - $700 for
a cam

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A Resto Block is a 59 degree wet sump 9.60 R3 with the extra head bolt bosses machined off and the lifter valley opened up. If you want to run a conventional roller lifter like a Crane Ultra Pro it takes a lot of carefull work with a die grinder and sonic checker,but there are some drop in lifters made by Comp. 48* is a much better set up with an R3, its just a pain to locate the goofy cam cores.





Ryan J and possibly others have a CNC program to cut the lifter boss clearances. Here's my resto block that he did.

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are there roller lifters that will fit this block with 6 head bolt configuration?


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Re: SB Mopar Race Block [Re: Stroker Scamp] #1342788
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are there roller lifters that will fit this block with 6 head bolt configuration?


Mopar does not offer a 59* 6 bolt head block. On a 48* motor the lifter bore is moved towards the center of the lifter valley giving clearance for the extra inside bolt or stud mountings. If you had 6 bolts on a 59* head there would be no room for a roller lifter unless you maybe used a Jesel key way lifter with no tie bar,but I'm not sure if there would even be enough room for the intake push rod on any W type offset rocker setup. The pushrod is on an angle which would probably hit the extra bolt boss.

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Another bit of advice would like to give to the OP if you already own that block is to have have it #1.Line honed. #2 Check or make sure you have your machinist check the lifter bores they are usually too tight, I had to run a light force brake hone in mine to get the lifters in. #3. Obtain the Cam bore tunnel clearances and check them or have your machinist check them. My Block was machined a good distance away from where I live and I had problems with all of the above. My best advice to you is to have someone who knows these blocks inside and out handle the machine work. The neighborhood chevy guy is not going to have a clue. It sucks when you have your newly machined & cleaned block ready for assembly and nothing fits and you have to start grinding on it again. Sorry about the rant, just trying to help you not go through the same crap that happened to me. The R3 is not for the novice home builder with limited tools and knowledge.

Re: SB Mopar Race Block [Re: Stroker Scamp] #1342790
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are there roller lifters that will fit this block with 6 head bolt configuration?


Sorry, if you were asking about the 48* block there are plenty of roller lifters out there that fit. If I remember correctly the R3 lifter bore is .400 taller than a stock block, so you would either have to machine the bore down or buy a taller lifter.

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