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Re: Wheelie Bars and Parachutes...
[Re: Jeepmon]
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11/24/12 04:14 PM
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Longer bars have better leverage and with bars that are 70" or longer I wouldnt run the spring type... I have 62" with the spring at the back wheels... 
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Re: Wheelie Bars and Parachutes...
[Re: fishy340]
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11/24/12 09:58 PM
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Are there any pros or cons regarding the Anthony jones engineering wheelie bars?
67 Barracuda, 470" B, Glide, FuelTech FT600, Precision, Ptc, QA1, Calvert, Smith racecraft, Afco, Dana 60. 275 radials
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Re: Wheelie Bars and Parachutes...
[Re: Keith Richards]
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11/25/12 12:17 AM
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Hmmm don't know why a Stroud is any easier to pack than a Simpson? I got the Simpson IIRC it was quite a bit cheaper? Mine has worked fine the few times I have pulled it, didn't touch the brake at all in this video till I actually came to a full stop around the corner course i was only doing 148 and Sonoma has a long shutdown and a bit uphill. http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pla...p;v=S36VkZdDdkw
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Re: Wheelie Bars and Parachutes...
[Re: Keith Richards]
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11/25/12 12:33 AM
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We have used three RJ Racecars wheelie bar kits and they worked great. My chutes are both Simpson PITA to pack but we rarely pull them. Never did at Sonoma or Sac and that was going 170 in the big tire car.
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Re: Wheelie Bars and Parachutes...
[Re: Keith Richards]
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11/26/12 01:30 AM
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Don't know if you are fabbing it up yourself, if somebody else I would go talk to Mike Bolla, he is across from MEW and does great work. just mentioning him as I believe he is close to you.
BTW, did you make up your mind on a box? just wondering if you are gonna play in SP or be one of the fastest cars in Pro.
I looked for you at Sonoma... you werent there 
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Re: Wheelie Bars and Parachutes...
[Re: Jeepmon]
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11/26/12 02:05 AM
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Ok Don I will go sideways from the post topic, spent the prior week in Alabama and came home Friday with the full intention of going then mid-Saturday went for a long bike ride and here is what I came up with on that ride (read excuses!!!) 1) Why go out and race when I can get another good ride in tomorrow. 2) Besides the motor home is already winterized and right now cannot fathom the thought of towing out with the truck. (yes, it has spoiled me) 3) I know it is gonna be 11 am before the 1st car goes down the track due to the fog and that means probably one time shot, 4) New motor should be ready just before the 1st real race next year. 5) If I play hooky from racing tomorrow after my bike ride maybe the Mrs's and I can take the Harley out since I don't seem to make time for it anymore. Day went pretty good although felt way like I should be somewere else........aaarghhh Drank coffe rode my bike, went for another short bike ride with the wife then took the Mrs's for a ride on the loud bike then watched the last few rounds on 1320.com aaarghhhhh Is 2013 racing season here yet? Only bad part was Rich's text at 8am saying he would be late to the track? sorry Rich I am not there either! OK back on subject, I think you will need those aforementioned parts and remember I am the one who told you "get ready to open up that wallet to this disease!" keith
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Re: Wheelie Bars and Parachutes...
[Re: tboomer]
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11/26/12 10:05 AM
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Eric....I heard that Bob won't drive go-karts... 
You got that right Ted,go-karts are for little kids.  It's like dating the ugly fat girl,they can be a lot of fun but you wouldn't be able to "Bear" it if some one seen you.
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Re: Wheelie Bars and Parachutes...
[Re: Jeepmon]
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11/26/12 01:50 PM
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The longer the bars the more leverage they have. You planning on using them as a tuning tool or a safety device? Lots of stuff to learn if you plan to use them as a tuning device for sure. If you truly use them in this way 1/4" and inch the wrogn way can lead to very bad results. I'll show you in a bit. As for how long. HP plays a rol as well as rear suspension set up weight bias, shocks and how well they control things and so on. This is how I did it with the big tire car. We loaded the car in the trailer as far forward as I was comfortable with. Shut the rear door and measured what was left. Viola we had our bar length, in my case 74". I sure you know we use them as a tuning aide on both cars. I tend to ride the bars for a fair amount. Back to the 1/4" deal. In this video and picture my crew chief had the bars set incorrectly. 1/4" of stagger on the wrong side lead to this. This is midflight Oh yeah this was with a set of 50" bars on the car. Which do not provide near enough leverage on my car. We went to the long bars but bent the uppers three times before we finally buolt a set of double wall slip tube uppers. Like I said we tended to ride them pretty hard back then. We now have a much better pair of custom built rear shocks and can calm it down a bunch.  Here is the video version http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PhaW9zfEkZE&feature=plcp
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Re: Wheelie Bars and Parachutes...
[Re: Jeepmon]
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11/27/12 08:31 PM
11/27/12 08:31 PM
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Some wheelie bars have flat bar for the bottom, some have round tube.. does this make any difference?
Also, we've measured the clearance in the trailer and we have between 60 and 65 inches of room with the door close.. Is this an appropriate length for a Duster, A body car?
The lower bar doesnt matter... that is in tension but
the upper bar is in compression... if you can get 65"
in your trailer then thats what your gonna run...
no way would I spend time to pull the bars off every
time I wanted to load... I use to have my cabinets
at the front but with the golfcart in front and the
car behind I was too long... so I winched the car in
backwards so the bars would go under the cart...
then I moved my cabinets to the left side of the
trailer and I can pull the cart to the front wall
and drive the car in forwards now... I have about
6" to spare now
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Re: Wheelie Bars and Parachutes...
[Re: hemi-itis]
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11/27/12 08:43 PM
11/27/12 08:43 PM
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Solid round tube is what you want..Not spring loaded or flat spring types. IF you want something you can tune with. If you want the look then by all means  AS for length way to many facotrs but in general the longer the better. Better leverage less shock..
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Re: Wheelie Bars and Parachutes...
[Re: hemi-itis]
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11/27/12 08:46 PM
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On the chute deal if you are looking for ease of packing thats easy. Stroud wins hands down. In my case we pull it once a year so that is not a big deal.
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"It's never wrong to do the right thing"
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Re: Wheelie Bars and Parachutes...
[Re: Al_Alguire]
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11/27/12 09:00 PM
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Solid round tube is what you want..Not spring loaded or flat spring types. IF you want something you can tune with. If you want the look then by all means AS for length way to many facotrs but in general the longer the better. Better leverage less shock..
Al is correct and mine are round bar(I dont care for
the flat ones) but if you go with a 65" I would run
the springs at the wheel... they slow the impact on
shorter bars otherwise it will unload the tires...
I usually run the wheels about 2" off the ground
in gear(in my sig pic they are 4")
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Re: Wheelie Bars and Parachutes...
[Re: Al_Alguire]
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11/27/12 11:32 PM
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Solid round tube is what you want..Not spring loaded or flat spring types. IF you want something you can tune with. If you want the look then by all means AS for length way to many facotrs but in general the longer the better. Better leverage less shock..
Since I really don't know much about bars, what is the problem with flat style or springs? I guess I'm just looking for something to keep it from going up to high. Don't believe I'll use them to tune,just a safety net to save the oil pan and headers. Any thoughts?
Doug
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Re: Wheelie Bars and Parachutes...
[Re: dvw]
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11/28/12 03:07 AM
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Doug you will likely be fine with them. They work great for that purpose, but not as a tuning aid. Difficult to control a wheelie ith a spring loaded bar.
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Re: Wheelie Bars and Parachutes...
[Re: dvw]
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11/28/12 09:23 AM
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What about the single wheel bars?
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Re: Wheelie Bars and Parachutes...
[Re: Jeepmon]
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11/28/12 02:26 PM
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One thing I do like about the spring type(in pic) is that IF you want to lock the spring you can(make it solid) with a few washers EDIT also with the nut near the wheel you can tighten the spring to make it beefier(pressure) and get less movement
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Re: Wheelie Bars and Parachutes...
[Re: B G Racing]
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11/28/12 02:34 PM
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Don you want a solid bar..
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Re: Wheelie Bars and Parachutes...
[Re: hemi-itis]
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11/28/12 03:44 PM
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I am still curious about the packing of the chute.I had planned on all Simpson products.It looks to me that ALL the chutes are a PITA.
Also is thier a science on the length of the bars? Or is it fit what fits  
Look at the instructions for packing the two different chutes and you will see the difference, Simpson takes longer. But if you like Simpson get one I have one and just take it out and put it back in a few times and you will get it, like Al said you wont use it that much anyway 
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Re: Wheelie Bars and Parachutes...
[Re: Al_Alguire]
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11/29/12 02:58 PM
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But Demon dont need em He just likes to look cool 
Oh really? You didn't think you needed them either until that fateful day at Infineon. I like the piece of mind and the hope that one day my car will run like it's supposed to.
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Re: Wheelie Bars and Parachutes...
[Re: Jeepmon]
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11/30/12 12:51 PM
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Hey Bill.. when is that bad beast gonna see the track again?
No clue. There are some things on it that I want to get addressed before it rolls into a staging lane again. That's time and money and you know my situation - which hasn't improved any.
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I have 66 inch bars and wish they were longer. The further back from the rear axle the bar hits, the less it unloads the tires. I would also keep an eye on weight. Strong, but light. Same with the chute mount. Chrome moly where possible.
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