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Oil viscosity choice for strip and street #1337998
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what oil viscosity is your choice and why
i currently run Royal Purple HPR 20/50 in my 440.i do run a HV pump and deep sump.It runs at 35-40psi hot idle,70-75psi running.
i am thinking of dropping to RP 10/40.my engine-dyno shop has recommended trying this as they have seen HP gains on their race car motor,nissan 240Z.
weather here never sees much below maybe 7 degrees C in winter to just over 40 degree C in summer.
thoughts ?
things to watch out for ?
or simply try it out on the dyno ?

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Re: Oil viscosity choice for strip and street [Re: tex013] #1337999
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IMO, for a flat-tappet cam, nothing thinner than the 10w40 you're proposing changing to.

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thanks Brad,
what i was thinking
plus i like Reher's first rule - maybe stick to the 20/50

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New best MPH 130.32
Finally fitted a solid cam,
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New World block 3780lbs 10.278@130.80 . Wowser 10.253@130.24 footbraking from 1500rpm
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Re: Oil viscosity choice for strip and street [Re: tex013] #1338001
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I run RP XPR 10W40 at the track. With the pressures you are presently running ( a little high IMO ) 10W40 will be a good step. I also run a flat tappet cam with no problems.


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Re: Oil viscosity choice for strip and street [Re: BradH] #1338002
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IMO, for a flat-tappet cam, nothing thinner than the 10w40 you're proposing changing to.




So would 5W-30 RP be ok for a roller cammed engine?

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15W 40 diesel oil for me. I broke it in on 10W30 but hot oil pressure was a little low for my taste and I switched to 15W40. I use the diesel oil plus STP for zinc to take care of my flat tappet.

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IMO, viscosity choice is driven by bearing clearances, ambient temperature, and how much effort you're willing to tax the motor with to pump the oil.
I've been using 10W-30 on my FT motors even with fairly aggressive cams (with a zinc additive) and on my roller-cam drag motor (very aggressive cam), and have more than enough oil pressure on all of them. Bearing clearances are .0025 on my stuff.

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I like to keep the clearances on the tight side and use thin oil. Have used regular (Mobil) 5w40 synthetic for years in all engines I've built, including flat tappet.


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I use 20/W50 Valvoline racing oil. Ron

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I use 5 w 30 syn mobile 1 for years no issues
great oil pressure !

Re: Oil viscosity choice for strip and street [Re: moparguy7074] #1338008
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IMO, for a flat-tappet cam, nothing thinner than the 10w40 you're proposing changing to.




So would 5W-30 RP be ok for a roller cammed engine?


Accord to the RP tech, you should base the viscosity you choose on oil pressure for a particular engine. For their racing synthetic oil, they recommend idle pressure in the 15 lb range, and 7 lbs for every 1000 rpm. I can't bring myself to run pressures that low, but that's what the guy said. I do believe that with the quality of synthetics these days, you can run tighter clearances and thinner oil - and make more HP. JMO.


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Mobil One 15w50 synthetic for me. Bearings look great at freshen ups so I'm sold on it.


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Like was mentioned above, the "correct" oil viscosity is a factor of oil clearance, oil temps, application (short-duration vs. endurance), etc. Spending some time on the Joe Gibbs oil web site looking through their oil application guidelines may help improve understanding of this.

I also have some concerns about using oils that IMO are too thin for extended street use, especially when it comes to flat-tappet cams. I look at things like the HTHS (High Temp High Shear) ratings for different oils because that is a good indication of how the oil should handle heavy-interface loads such as cam & lifters.

You'll have trouble finding any Xw30 oil w/ a HTHS rating much higher than 3.5, whereas you can get as high as a 5.x HTHS rating w/ heavier oils. In that respect, oil viscosity can be (like so many other things) a compromise.

Re: Oil viscosity choice for strip and street [Re: BradH] #1338011
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Quote:

Like was mentioned above, the "correct" oil viscosity is a factor of oil clearance, oil temps, application (short-duration vs. endurance), etc. Spending some time on the Joe Gibbs oil web site looking through their oil application guidelines may help improve understanding of this.

I also have some concerns about using oils that IMO are too thin for extended street use, especially when it comes to flat-tappet cams. I look at things like the HTHS (High Temp High Shear) ratings for different oils because that is a good indication of how the oil should handle heavy-interface loads such as cam & lifters.

You'll have trouble finding any Xw30 oil w/ a HTHS rating much higher than 3.5, whereas you can get as high as a 5.x HTHS rating w/ heavier oils. In that respect, oil viscosity can be (like so many other things) a compromise.


Damn Brad, you`ve got too much time on your hands. Some people love to over-complicate things and oil along w/all of the other subjects beaten to death is another one of them. I have to question how many actually try stuff instead of asking others who may not know what works and what doesn`t. I keep doing things that "experts" say can`t/shouldn`t be done again like the 8" vert on the street, spool thin oil etc. My clearances are bigger than most and even w/a high volume pump and only 6-quarts of oil, I still see 20-25 hot at idle and 65+ above 7000 rpm`s and never a problem EVEN street driving as in LOTS of desert miles and even dirt roads occationally.............just do it!


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Re: Oil viscosity choice for strip and street [Re: Thumperdart] #1338012
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I run 6qts of 5W30 and one quart of Lucas oil stabilizer. It gives me the lower oil pressure I needed and the lucas oil additive keeps things nice and slimey or so it seems. Its a solid roller with about 2500 street miles on it now and 50-60 passes.


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Re: Oil viscosity choice for strip and street [Re: Thumperdart] #1338013
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... Some people love to over-complicate things...



Guilty as charged!

FWIW (serious note), if you're still running Mobil 1 10w30 as I recall from the past, I really don't believe what they sell now is a "beefy" enough oil for the power level you're making. I know you're all about bang for the buck and not over-spending (I try to be, but often fail miserably at it), but that stuff is about one step above horse p!ss now from all the info I can find on it.

I've stopped running it in my '02 WRX, if that's any indication of my loss in confidence w/ Mobil 1's street oils.

Re: Oil viscosity choice for strip and street [Re: BradH] #1338014
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Brad, I think it`s actually 5w30 now that I think about it and I don`t skimp anywhere on my dart actually and money NEVER gets in the way of performance or durabuility that`s why I havn`t raced since last March...........moneys tight and I still need to finess my ft. end so I just drive it around and rattle windows. Don`t know where you`re getting you info on oils but Mobile-1 is rated higher than most on the tests I`ve read........


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We have run 5W40 mobil 1, but only make 1580+ hp..., same oil in our 970 hp + nitrous B1 and after one season it was spotless. Didn't even bother to open the other one since we checked it in 2010. It propably isn't the oil with all the best properties, but it's good enough for us and you can buy it here anywhere.


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I'll rephrase that and point out that it's not just M1; all the standard light-viscosity (5w30 and under) passenger car oils out today have been "watered down" w/ respect to their anti-wear additive packages that can mess w/ the cat converters. The stuff on the shelf of the local parts store these days is intended for my Honda mini-van, not a 700 HP street car.

It sounds like you've had good luck w/ what you've done to date. Just be aware the latest API standards have applied yet another "hit" to passenger car oils in the name of the saving the environment.

Re: Oil viscosity choice for strip and street [Re: BradH] #1338017
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Brad, would you know if the RP 5w-30 falls into the same category as M1?

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