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Cost of a Hemi ??? #1330501
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Why are Long Block Hemis (gen2) so expensive.

I've been pricing bit & Pieces parts for a Gen2 Hemi just out of curiosity and have noticed that the prices for the pieces don't justify the extreme prices I see for complete engines.

I have an R3-W9RP engine, so I know what makes engines expensive.

For the bits and pieces NEW I could put one together for less than the used parts I bought to build my R3-W9RP engine.

Am I missing something or is it just the HEMI name that makes many builders want to jack up the price.

Re: Cost of a Hemi ??? [Re: DakFink] #1330502
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Just the long block to my Hemi has cost me over $22K in parts

Block $5000
Heads $5500
Rockers $2500
Crank $3641
Rods $1300
Pistons $1000
Valve covers $450
Gear Drive $550
Camshaft $400
Lifters $700
Pushrods $300
Bearings $150
Damper $360
Oil Pan $300
Intake $550
Head gaskets $200

And there are other misc like hardware, etc.

Re: Cost of a Hemi ??? [Re: DakFink] #1330503
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426 Hemi are like airplanes, there are no cheap( to buy, don't buy cheap parts, new or used , buy the good to excellnet ones to start with ) parts especially new parts


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Re: Cost of a Hemi ??? [Re: Cab_Burge] #1330504
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It would probably be better to take a long walk off a short pier before one gets started on building a Hemi, something I should have done as well, so they can come to their senses.

Re: Cost of a Hemi ??? [Re: ] #1330505
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Getting a good block is a pain, even a new one...unlink a used 440 block that's been assembled an ran once at least, a new block is going to have some issues, isn't cheap, and neither is the machine work. So to even put the short block togather, takes some time, money, and attention to detail. I should know, I just wrecked one...in 5 passes. Luckily its not bad, but pulliing it back out was not on my agenda.

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'70 Cuda,...605 EFI Hemi Street Car (6.20 best pass, 1.33 60ft)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYw6RA-k5Bk (6.25 at 108.75mph from inside car)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zQEb9uxFng (6.25 at 108mph from outside car)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCvfzsC4NgM (9.9)

'66 Barracuda AWB Stretched nose Blown 440 Car in build stage

'71 Duster Drag Car 400 Low Deck 512 best 6.002 at 115.44mph
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Znuo3jMUXTk
Re: Cost of a Hemi ??? [Re: Defbob] #1330506
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Ok, lets compare mine.
world block 2500
stageV heads 3800
crank 500
rods 700
pistons 280
cam/lifters 700
timing chain 125
head studs 295
intake 500
valve covers 250
rockers 2600 (stageV roller, dichelles shafts, dvorak stands)
Carbs 1200
fuel pump (racepumps 2000) 400
Misc. hardware 350
oil pan (Milidon 31581) 350
External oil line 145
oil line 145
oil pump drive 150
valve spring 200
magnafuel shear plates 200
fuel lines 100
fuel pressure regulator 155
throttle linkage 100
air cleaner 900
balancer 275
flywheel 120
machine shop 2000
Al Debevek K-membeer 900
paint, 280 for 1 quart for original PPG formula
Gaskets 400
Bearings 375
spark plug wires 180
distributor 150 (includes recurve)

This does not count shipping or travel to get some things done.
Its not cheap. I could have bought for cheaper but I know what is in my engine. Many of the parts are similar in cost to what is listed below, I did some shopping around for some things to save a buck. It also does not count any mistakes in parts fitment. Tim

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Just the long block to my Hemi has cost me over $22K in parts

Block $5000
Heads $5500
Rockers $2500
Crank $3641
Rods $1300
Pistons $1000
Valve covers $450
Gear Drive $550
Camshaft $400
Lifters $700
Pushrods $300
Bearings $150
Damper $360
Oil Pan $300
Intake $550
Head gaskets $200

And there are other misc like hardware, etc.




Re: Cost of a Hemi ??? [Re: astjp2] #1330507
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I have been careful not to keep any evidence of what I have spent putting my BAE hemi together. So the cost is a secret atleast from my wife.

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Re: Cost of a Hemi ??? [Re: Edge] #1330508
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It can be done much cheaper IF you don't mind waiting for deals to come along. Even so...if you start keeping track of all the costs of one, you'll end up in the loony bin. Dave

Re: Cost of a Hemi ??? [Re: Edge] #1330509
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I have been careful not to keep any evidence of what I have spent putting my BAE hemi together. So the cost is a secret atleast from my wife.




I will second that !!!!!!!!

When she asks,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

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Re: Cost of a Hemi ??? [Re: Edge] #1330510
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Quote:

I have been careful not to keep any evidence of what I have spent putting my BAE hemi together. So the cost is a secret atleast from my wife.




Now that I know the goods on you..... it will cost you to keep me quite.

Re: Cost of a Hemi ??? [Re: ] #1330511
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I want to build another...cant afford it but I still can want...Tim

Re: Cost of a Hemi ??? [Re: Edge] #1330512
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I have been careful not to keep any evidence of what I have spent putting my BAE hemi together. So the cost is a secret at least from my wife.




So I don't know the cost of parts for the 604" that DTHEMI built for me. 1178 HP all motor.
I hide the bills from myself.
It can't really be 40K ???

DON'T TELL FRED


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Re: Cost of a Hemi ??? [Re: HEMIFRED] #1330513
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when my wife asked me HOW much i spent on motor, i told her i don't remember. SHE said let me make it easy for you. HOW much DID you give him?


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Re: Cost of a Hemi ??? [Re: sixpacksteve] #1330514
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DOH!!!

I guess I really stepped into this one!!

My apologies guys BUT what I was really questioning is the Street-able Pump Gas Hemis.

From what I have seen so far these are pretty much race pieces and actually decent prices for what you're getting.

My question is the ones I have looked at as complete engines the prices look like those ya'll have quoted for race Hemis.

Another question arises: More than a few times I have seen people say they have had major issues with Hemis after being built. This is the reason I was looking more at complete engines. Have the builder run it and inspect it before I take it. To make sure there are no underlying issues with it.

Re: Cost of a Hemi ??? [Re: DakFink] #1330515
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Quote:

DOH!!!

I guess I really stepped into this one!!

My apologies guys BUT what I was really questioning is the Street-able Pump Gas Hemis.

From what I have seen so far these are pretty much race pieces and actually decent prices for what you're getting.

My question is the ones I have looked at as complete engines the prices look like those ya'll have quoted for race Hemis.

Another question arises: More than a few times I have seen people say they have had major issues with Hemis after being built. This is the reason I was looking more at complete engines. Have the builder run it and inspect it before I take it. To make sure there are no underlying issues with it.




A race hemi is not 16K if those are the prices your refering to...A used race hemi is a bunch more!

And as far as underlying issues, we were not aware of some of the rather odd changes to the after market block we recieved, nor was there any warning included. We have built blocks from this manufacutrer before, and never had these particular issues before. We caught most of the changes, but missed one major one that's not really somthing you can vissually see, and now we know. Most builders will already know about all the updates, so stick with one that builds them on a regular basis. It will save you headaches later.

As for me, I think I am done with CI blocks based on the initial cost, and then the cost to fix it and nobody seems accountable even though their name is all over it. Not been real happy with mine and the issues, but its almost back togather as a short block.

Last edited by Dragula; 11/05/12 12:25 PM.

'70 Cuda,...605 EFI Hemi Street Car (6.20 best pass, 1.33 60ft)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYw6RA-k5Bk (6.25 at 108.75mph from inside car)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zQEb9uxFng (6.25 at 108mph from outside car)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCvfzsC4NgM (9.9)

'66 Barracuda AWB Stretched nose Blown 440 Car in build stage

'71 Duster Drag Car 400 Low Deck 512 best 6.002 at 115.44mph
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Znuo3jMUXTk
Re: Cost of a Hemi ??? [Re: DakFink] #1330516
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Like other free market items, the price is determined by the most foolish buyer.


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Re: Cost of a Hemi ??? [Re: Dragula] #1330517
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As for me, I think I am done with CI blocks based on the initial cost, and then the cost to fix it and nobody seems accountable even though their name is all over it. Not been real happy with mine and the issues, but its almost back togather as a short block.


So you're blaming your recent spun bearing issue on the block? I also can't figure out what "CI" refers to?


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Re: Cost of a Hemi ??? [Re: bwdst6] #1330518
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The bottom end seems to go together much like any other engine. From what I have heard, it's from the cam up where it's interesting. You gotta make sure everything is compatible, fits, works properly and will live.
I haven't built one but have seen a few that required more than book learnin'

Re: Cost of a Hemi ??? [Re: bwdst6] #1330519
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As for me, I think I am done with CI blocks based on the initial cost, and then the cost to fix it and nobody seems accountable even though their name is all over it. Not been real happy with mine and the issues, but its almost back togather as a short block.


So you're blaming your recent spun bearing issue on the block? I also can't figure out what "CI" refers to?


cast iron?

Re: Cost of a Hemi ??? [Re: bwdst6] #1330520
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As for me, I think I am done with CI blocks based on the initial cost, and then the cost to fix it and nobody seems accountable even though their name is all over it. Not been real happy with mine and the issues, but its almost back togather as a short block.


So you're blaming your recent spun bearing issue on the block? I also can't figure out what "CI" refers to?




No, I was refering to the water in the oil, issues with head deck flatness, and lastly, the thrust bearing .010" oversized. CI was for cast iron...It was comming apart for more than just me starving #3 rod for oil. I will take credit for my part.

Last edited by Dragula; 11/05/12 06:09 PM.

'70 Cuda,...605 EFI Hemi Street Car (6.20 best pass, 1.33 60ft)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYw6RA-k5Bk (6.25 at 108.75mph from inside car)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zQEb9uxFng (6.25 at 108mph from outside car)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCvfzsC4NgM (9.9)

'66 Barracuda AWB Stretched nose Blown 440 Car in build stage

'71 Duster Drag Car 400 Low Deck 512 best 6.002 at 115.44mph
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Znuo3jMUXTk
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