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Big block oil pump question #1319491
10/12/12 03:48 PM
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My buddy built a 440- large hydraulic cam, bit of headwork, and 9.5 to 1 compression. Stamped HD rockers.
He drove it for a few months, and when I got in the car I could have sworn the car had solid lifters when I went for a drive.
At idle, quiet and smooth. Cruising, ticking and smooth. It was weird! I looked under the covers and couldn't see anything. NOT Rhoads lifters BTW!!!
Fast forward one year.
He builds ANOTHER car. 500ci stroker this time. Stealth heads, .500"ish lift hydraulic, MP HD stamped rockers. Comp Cam and lifters.
He phones me and tells me his new engine does EXACTLY the same thing!
It idles quiet and smooth, but as the revs come up cruising it sounds like a solid cammed car.

The ONLY thing that is connecting the two engines in any way that MIGHT have anything to do with it is BOTH engines have high PRESSURE pumps, not high volume.
I've never ran a high PRESSURE pump on a big block, usually high volume pumps, so I have to ask- is a high PRESSURE pump likely to have any possibility of making a quiet hydraulic cammed engine sound like a mechanical cam at cruising speeds???
It's just a higher relief pressure....



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Re: Big block oil pump question [Re: CrAzYMoPaRGuY] #1319492
10/12/12 04:25 PM
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Quote:

so I have to ask- is a high PRESSURE pump likely to have any possibility of making a quiet hydraulic cammed engine sound like a mechanical cam at cruising speeds???


No. I'd check preload & if good there then I'd be suspecting a lifter or several of em


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Re: Big block oil pump question [Re: RapidRobert] #1319493
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Are they the NEW MP HD stamped rockers ? If so THAT is what is COMMON between them , and the side clearance on those are HUGE ... but also check the preload as mentioned ... and what is the cam , a COMP XE ?? they are noisy ...

Re: Big block oil pump question [Re: JohnRR] #1319494
10/12/12 07:55 PM
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Quote:

and what is the cam , a COMP XE ?? they are noisy ...






I'm not POSITIVE, but I think they might BOTH be Comp XE cams..

I know they are both Comp cams, the one in the 440 was a big lift cam for a lower compression engine, he told me the cam was .475" lift, but we looked at the box and it said .525" lift....

Wow.
I've got a phonecall to make, this is an interesting path to look at!
Thanks John!!


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Re: Big block oil pump question [Re: CrAzYMoPaRGuY] #1319495
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Yes: The XE's are noisey. Every Hemi and 440 I've built over the last 15 or 20 years has sounded like it's had a solid cam as well, oh wait!

Sheldon

Re: Big block oil pump question [Re: RUNCHARGER] #1319496
10/12/12 09:18 PM
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Well, the 440 definitely IS a Comp Cams XE cam
XE275HL

http://www.compcams.com/Company/CC/cam-specs/Details.aspx?csid=711&sb=2

Waiting for the 500" engine. Dang, looks like the answer!!


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Re: Big block oil pump question [Re: CrAzYMoPaRGuY] #1319497
10/12/12 09:33 PM
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It's not the oil pump. High volume and high pressure pumps both bypass around 75 lbs.







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