PPG clear coats?
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10/03/08 09:48 PM
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JeepJimmy
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using DBC basecoat... either going to use PPG 2021 or the PPG SHOPLINE clear or the omni... on the 68 panther pink dart im restoring for my mom. not sure what to choose. i have never sprayed these clears.. only used martin senour clears over DBC and rather use PPG all. any thought and opinions?????
70 duster 360magnum, 1975 jeep j-10.
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Re: PPG clear coats?
[Re: FurryStump]
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10/04/08 08:35 AM
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Mr T2U
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i spray 1-2 gallons of 2021 a week. it is a good clear. it has excellent color hold out and durability. i agree with what other people have said. use the highest solids clear you can afford. you will be happy you did in the long run. with that said i painted my own car with Shop Line products from the primer to the clear. it has held up well. the shop line clear is best in a air dry situation. it doesn't like to be baked to dry even with using the baking catalyst. i can't comment on 2021's performance in a air dry situation because i haven't painted a car that way in over 20 years, it was always in a down draft baking booth. one suggestion for best performance is to use DX84 ENHANCER, it's 84 or 87 i always get that # mixed up just ask for enhancer at the paint store, in the clear. this product will cut cure time in 1/2 but won't change the pot life. after clearing wait a week before you sand and buff.
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Re: PPG clear coats?
[Re: JeepJimmy]
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10/06/08 04:05 PM
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I used the Omni clear. Never again!! It doesn't hold up. I know that I'm in AZ, but I sprayed a Challenger Sublime with PPG 2021 7 years ago and it still looks great. I sprayed the Omni clear 4 years ago over B5 blue and it's yellowed and flaking away. Plus, after seeing the base color where the clear is gone, the Omni cleat is not that clear. The color is much much darker with the clear over it than without. Maybe the better clear is the same, I don't know. That's my experience for what its worth.
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Re: PPG clear coats?
[Re: kenz]
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10/06/08 06:32 PM
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the biggest problem with the shopline clear is the level of solids, the part of the clear that actually stays on the car after it'd dry, is much lower than 2021. 2021 clear has 42% solids, ready to spray when mixed with DCX61 catalyst. 42% solids 58% of solvents that will evaporate away. i don't have the tech sheets on the shop line, but if i remember correctly it has about 15% solids ready to spray. 15% solids 85% solvents that will evaporate away. these statements translated into understandable statements is basicly 1 coat of 2021= 3 coats of shopline clear. this is why the shopline clear doesn't have long term durability. this is also why it is MUCH cheaper than DCU2021. when i spray shopline i usually spray 5 coats of clear. bake and dry overnight. sand with 1000 grit then respray 4 more coats of clear and bake again. then sand and buff 2 days later.
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Re: PPG clear coats?
[Re: gomangoRTSE]
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10/07/08 09:14 PM
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JeepJimmy
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interesting..... how everyone has a different opinion!! hehe im wondering what you guys think would be BEST for me.. in a shop at home. i have painted before. but not a pro standard. i have a tendacy to put it on "thick" so i was thinking that the shopline would be more watery?? and not good for me and have to use more to get good coats... any thoughts on that? would a gallon be enough to do the entire outside of thedart?
70 duster 360magnum, 1975 jeep j-10.
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Re: PPG clear coats?
[Re: JeepJimmy]
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10/09/08 03:31 PM
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see this post for some pictures. https://board.moparts.org/ubbthreads/show...e=1#Post4738647 For that best look here is my 2 cents. Transtar euro clear classic not the speed clear. Second when you wet sand use only meguiars 1500 and 2500 unigrit paper. Get paper wet and let soak 1 hr before using. Use a wool pad and 3m heavy cut but dont try and make it shine just buff out the 2500 grit it will still look somewhat dull. next use meguiars med cut on a foam pad. clean your pad often by spurring it with it spinning fast and rubbing a metal object like can opener across it. Then use Menzurna final polish and soft foam pad for final buff. It will look like a mirror. See pics in above post.
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