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Re: 572 hemi won't start and run [Re: Big Squeeze] #1316665 10/07/12 08:51 PM 10/07/12 08:51 PM
Joined: Jul 2010 Posts: 59 Maryville TN 6 68528hemi OP member
68528hemi OP member 6 Joined: Jul 2010 Posts: 59 Maryville TN	ther is nothing wrong with the msd 6al or the distributor i cheked all that. I HAVE FIRE AT THE AND OF THE PLUG while the motor is cranking. It's very odd what's going on. It will start for 3 seconds have to hold the throtle wide open it misses and dies.sounds like crap

Re: 572 hemi won't start and run [Re: Big Squeeze] #1316666 10/07/12 09:03 PM 10/07/12 09:03 PM
Joined: Dec 2006 Posts: 3,667 Arizona C Chris'sBarracuda master
Chris'sBarracuda master C Joined: Dec 2006 Posts: 3,667 Arizona	Quote: Quote: its an msd system it only hooks one way and i bought everything new That doesn't mean it's right... The ones who assemble those units don't speak english.. Wouldn't be the first time they were wired wrong.. Chris..

Re: 572 hemi won't start and run [Re: 68528hemi] #1316667 10/07/12 09:06 PM 10/07/12 09:06 PM
Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 52,972 Romeo MI MR_P_BODY Master
MR_P_BODY Master Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 52,972 Romeo MI	If you set the crank(damper) at 34* on the compression stroke and drop in the dist pointed at #1 it'll start... if you set the crank at 0 and install the dist its ZERO timing and you end up turning it to 34 or there abouts if its a locked dist.... if it has advance set it at 20* then drop in the dist

Re: 572 hemi won't start and run [Re: MR_P_BODY] #1316668 10/07/12 09:13 PM 10/07/12 09:13 PM
Joined: Jul 2010 Posts: 59 Maryville TN 6 68528hemi OP member
68528hemi OP member 6 Joined: Jul 2010 Posts: 59 Maryville TN	I'll try it now it's dark outside i hope it fires up and wakes all my neighbors up.

Re: 572 hemi won't start and run [Re: MR_P_BODY] #1316669 10/07/12 09:17 PM 10/07/12 09:17 PM
Joined: Jan 2012 Posts: 25 California Mad Dart member
Mad Dart member Joined: Jan 2012 Posts: 25 California	Quote: If you set the crank(damper) at 34* on the compression stroke and drop in the dist pointed at #1 it'll start... if you set the crank at 0 and install the dist its ZERO timing and you end up turning it to 34 or there abouts if its a locked dist.... if it has advance set it at 20* then drop in the dist Listen to this advice and I bet it fires right off!

Re: 572 hemi won't start and run [Re: MR_P_BODY] #1316670 10/07/12 09:22 PM 10/07/12 09:22 PM
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HOTMOPR mopar Joined: May 2011 Posts: 625 Oakville, Wa	thats how i do it too.. 67 Barracuda, 470" B, Glide, FuelTech FT600, Precision, Ptc, QA1, Calvert, Smith racecraft, Afco, Dana 60. 275 radials

Re: 572 hemi won't start and run [Re: Mad Dart] #1316671 10/07/12 10:03 PM 10/07/12 10:03 PM
Joined: Jul 2010 Posts: 59 Maryville TN 6 68528hemi OP member
68528hemi OP member 6 Joined: Jul 2010 Posts: 59 Maryville TN	you do mean 34* before tdc. my msd distributor is a mechanical advanced.

Re: 572 hemi won't start and run [Re: 68528hemi] #1316672 10/07/12 11:19 PM 10/07/12 11:19 PM
Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 52,972 Romeo MI MR_P_BODY Master
MR_P_BODY Master Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 52,972 Romeo MI	Quote: you do mean 34* before tdc. my msd distributor is a mechanical advanced. For your mech advance dist set the crank at 20* before TDC

Re: 572 hemi won't start and run [Re: MR_P_BODY] #1316673 10/08/12 12:23 AM 10/08/12 12:23 AM
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68528hemi OP member 6 Joined: Jul 2010 Posts: 59 Maryville TN	still nothing i dont get it

Re: 572 hemi won't start and run [Re: 68528hemi] #1316674 10/08/12 12:40 AM 10/08/12 12:40 AM
Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 52,972 Romeo MI MR_P_BODY Master
MR_P_BODY Master Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 52,972 Romeo MI	You do have fuel in it... right

Re: 572 hemi won't start and run [Re: MR_P_BODY] #1316675 10/08/12 12:45 AM 10/08/12 12:45 AM
Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 8,716 Baltimore/Denver 64Post master
64Post master Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 8,716 Baltimore/Denver	Are your throttle blades cracked open enough to let air in?

Re: 572 hemi won't start and run [Re: 64Post] #1316676 10/08/12 12:56 AM 10/08/12 12:56 AM
Joined: Feb 2003 Posts: 8,020 Pangaea B5 Bee master
B5 Bee master Joined: Feb 2003 Posts: 8,020 Pangaea	It starts and runs for 3 seconds. So you have ignition with the switch in the Start position. Do you still have ignition in the Run position? Check by moving dist back and forth fast enough to generate a signal.

Re: 572 hemi won't start and run [Re: B5 Bee] #1316677 10/08/12 01:08 AM 10/08/12 01:08 AM
Joined: Jul 2010 Posts: 3,502 SOUTH JERSEY HEMIFRED master
HEMIFRED master Joined: Jul 2010 Posts: 3,502 SOUTH JERSEY	Quote: It starts and runs for 3 seconds. So you have ignition with the switch in the Start position. Do you still have ignition in the Run position? Check by moving dist back and forth fast enough to generate a signal. that's possible .as a quick check you can also run a jump wire the to the coil so it will always be hot during the test DON'T ASK ME HOW I KNOW home of the Sox and Martin Hemi Duster

Re: 572 hemi won't start and run [Re: HEMIFRED] #1316678 10/08/12 01:11 AM 10/08/12 01:11 AM
Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 52,972 Romeo MI MR_P_BODY Master
MR_P_BODY Master Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 52,972 Romeo MI	The crank AND run wires should be tied together on a MSD with NO ballast

Re: 572 hemi won't start and run [Re: MR_P_BODY] #1316679 10/08/12 02:10 AM 10/08/12 02:10 AM
Joined: Mar 2003 Posts: 9,100 Rogue River, OR Jeremiah master
Jeremiah master Joined: Mar 2003 Posts: 9,100 Rogue River, OR	I am going to relate a story and I doubt this is your problem but something to check... This one time late at night thrashing to get a 440 started I installed the wires on the cap in the correct firing order...clockwise. After many swapped parts and much head scratching my partner in the project ( the missus ) was reading the factory service manual and pointed out that a big block distributor turns counter clockwise. Just a thought that I can't seem to get out of my head for some reason.

Re: 572 hemi won't start and run [Re: Jeremiah] #1316680 10/08/12 07:36 AM 10/08/12 07:36 AM
Joined: Jun 2006 Posts: 430 Michigan H HR3128 mopar
HR3128 mopar H Joined: Jun 2006 Posts: 430 Michigan	One more thing to check is the rotor phasing. Pull the distributor cap. rotate the engine until the dist trigger wheel lines up with the pick-up coil. This is when the dist tells the MSD to fire the plugs. Then see if the rotor still points at the post in the cap. Do this for Cyl #1 and your ignition timing can be read on the balancer

Re: 572 hemi won't start and run [Re: B5 Bee] #1316681 10/08/12 08:12 AM 10/08/12 08:12 AM
Joined: Jul 2010 Posts: 59 Maryville TN 6 68528hemi OP member
68528hemi OP member 6 Joined: Jul 2010 Posts: 59 Maryville TN	I have a toggle switch to the power the msd box it has power when cranking and running. this is how i have it hook up. the big red wire goes to the postive side battery the big black wire goes to the neg on battery. two small coil wires black goes to neg side of coil samll orange goes to postive side of coil. that is the onley wires that goes to the coil. then the two distributor wires that plug one way.then a red 14 gauge wire goes to the from the msd to the toggle switch then to a relay. when i flip the toggle switch i have power on the msd full time then i ran a jumper wire to a push button starter. Thank for all the replays i'm loosing my pateince.

Re: 572 hemi won't start and run [Re: 68528hemi] #1316682 10/08/12 08:30 AM 10/08/12 08:30 AM
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HR3128 mopar H Joined: Jun 2006 Posts: 430 Michigan	What's the relay for & how is it connected to the toggle switch?

Re: 572 hemi won't start and run [Re: HR3128] #1316683 10/08/12 08:37 AM 10/08/12 08:37 AM
Joined: Jul 2010 Posts: 59 Maryville TN 6 68528hemi OP member
68528hemi OP member 6 Joined: Jul 2010 Posts: 59 Maryville TN	the engine is on a engine break in in stand. you have to have toggle switches and relay for starter to kick in.

Re: 572 hemi won't start and run [Re: 68528hemi] #1316684 10/08/12 08:43 AM 10/08/12 08:43 AM
Joined: Jun 2006 Posts: 430 Michigan H HR3128 mopar
HR3128 mopar H Joined: Jun 2006 Posts: 430 Michigan	I think the 1st thing to do is to separate the ignition from the relay. Run a wire from the battery to one side of your ign toogle switch, then from the other side of the sw to the MSD red wire.

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