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Re: affordable & streetable smallblock solid roller lifters
[Re: b1dartsport]
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Another thing is to stay away from the super quick ramp profiles on the newer cam designs, especialy if you are running it on the street. I and some of my friends have found out that some of the older Crane lobes are much easier on the valve train. So what the setup is .10 slower at the track but it lives forever. The super quick cams are made for the ET chasers and class racers. Just my 
thanks for the advice on that one, it is something I have heard before, to use less aggressive lobes i.e. circle track lobes instead of very fast ones to help the valvetrain live with street life. I think its definitely a tradeoff worth doing unless you want to be changing valvetrain parts quite often
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Re: affordable & streetable smallblock solid roller lifters
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10/31/12 04:13 PM
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MRL came up with some that he says live on the street fine.
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Re: affordable & streetable smallblock solid roller lifters
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10/31/12 04:16 PM
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MRL came up with some that he says live on the street fine.
Yea, I was actually going to mention those. They are apparently drop in, and they seem to be pressure fed oiling even on the lower end model he sells.
I tried searching on here about them, but there is nothing. Maybe they are still to new?
Im just curious though if the pressure fed oiling to the rollers is even needed. I mean, standard flat tappet stuff only gets splash oiling anyways, so why does the roller stuff need more?
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Re: affordable & streetable smallblock solid roller lifters
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Remember when you go roller you have to also think about spring pressure and rocker arms breaking. I had to go to t&ds after 3 sets of pushrods due to lack of oiling and 2 broken rocker arms.
What did you have before? I am running Hughes 1.6 ratio right now, and thought they should be okay?
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Re: affordable & streetable smallblock solid roller lifters
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10/31/12 04:39 PM
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Remember when you go roller you have to also think about spring pressure and rocker arms breaking. I had to go to t&ds after 3 sets of pushrods due to lack of oiling and 2 broken rocker arms.
What did you have before? I am running Hughes 1.6 ratio right now, and thought they should be okay?
Indy's 1.6. Bullet cam 668 lift which made it around 700 with close to 700 open psi and 270 or 280 on the seat.When i went to the t&d's i went back to 1.5's for a little less valvetrain stress. K950 springs.
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Re: affordable & streetable smallblock solid roller lifters
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10/31/12 04:57 PM
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How fast do you plan on going that you feel the need for a roller cam? A solid cam will fill the needs for most.
Not that fast at all really, high tens on the gas most likely. It's just that's know they make more power and the fact that they are a roller wheel instead of a flat tappet just gives me a little more price of mind. Even though I ran good oil in my other motors just because I wanted to, I never had to worry about ever losing a lobe because if a lifter ( hydraulic rollers). That said I know asolidflattappet will be fine
I considered a solid roller when I did my 408 but decided to go with a edm flat solid instead. It's been in the high 6.50s on pump 93 and has ran three years with only one lashing a year.
It looks like you're trading your worry about losing a lobe for worrying about losing a roller wheel  .
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Re: affordable & streetable smallblock solid roller lifters
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10/31/12 09:30 PM
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Remember when you go roller you have to also think about spring pressure and rocker arms breaking. I had to go to t&ds after 3 sets of pushrods due to lack of oiling and 2 broken rocker arms.
What did you have before? I am running Hughes 1.6 ratio right now, and thought they should be okay?
Indy's 1.6. Bullet cam 668 lift which made it around 700 with close to 700 open psi and 270 or 280 on the seat.When i went to the t&d's i went back to 1.5's for a little less valvetrain stress. K950 springs.
Damn, those valve springs your using aren't cheap man  Wasn't thinking valvesprings for a solid roller deal would cost that much.
As for my rockers, I thought the Hughes were supposed to be a good rocker and handle some serious stuff since Hughes totes them as being just as good as the high end stuff 
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Re: affordable & streetable smallblock solid roller lifters
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How fast do you plan on going that you feel the need for a roller cam? A solid cam will fill the needs for most.
Not that fast at all really, high tens on the gas most likely. It's just that's know they make more power and the fact that they are a roller wheel instead of a flat tappet just gives me a little more price of mind. Even though I ran good oil in my other motors just because I wanted to, I never had to worry about ever losing a lobe because if a lifter ( hydraulic rollers). That said I know asolidflattappet will be fine
I considered a solid roller when I did my 408 but decided to go with a edm flat solid instead. It's been in the high 6.50s on pump 93 and has ran three years with only one lashing a year.
It looks like you're trading your worry about losing a lobe for worrying about losing a roller wheel .
Well dammit, when you put it like that  lol
Have to price out the whole combination, but was considering the solid roller deal since I found a cam for a decent price, and a set of lifters as well (albeit morel, which I believe are the non pressure fed oiling ones).
I know a solid flat tappet can make the power, just thought I would try to make more with the solid roller since im really going to push this thing to the limits is all 
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Re: affordable & streetable smallblock solid roller lif
[Re: Moparnut426]
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11/01/12 01:35 PM
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Although I have nothing useful to add to this post, I'll bump since I'm in the same quandry as you at this point. Brians litters are 600 dollars, and I'm interested in hearing more about the Herbert/Morel/Bullet options.. Also who is MRL? What info do you have on them? I've never heard of those.
11.48 @ 120 with a 1.80 60' 318, stock 1.88 heads, stock 904, Pump Gas, 13 lbs of boost.
9.94 @ 134, 318 on pump gas, 14 lbs w/ Eddies, transbrake 727, 3600 lbs, 3.54 gear and 28's.
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Re: affordable & streetable smallblock solid roller lifters
[Re: mshred]
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11/01/12 05:14 PM
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Remember when you go roller you have to also think about spring pressure and rocker arms breaking. I had to go to t&ds after 3 sets of pushrods due to lack of oiling and 2 broken rocker arms.
What did you have before? I am running Hughes 1.6 ratio right now, and thought they should be okay?
Indy's 1.6. Bullet cam 668 lift which made it around 700 with close to 700 open psi and 270 or 280 on the seat.When i went to the t&d's i went back to 1.5's for a little less valvetrain stress. K950 springs.
Damn, those valve springs your using aren't cheap man Wasn't thinking valvesprings for a solid roller deal would cost that much.
As for my rockers, I thought the Hughes were supposed to be a good rocker and handle some serious stuff since Hughes totes them as being just as good as the high end stuff
I do not know about the hughs stuff.When i was having promblems i got a hold of Ryan from Shadydell speed shop and told him what i had and he lead me in that direction.I was tired of breaking stuff and wanted something that last.Also you will have to get a better pushrod due to the spring pressure , mine are 5/16 .080 manton for another $230 or so dollars.
Cam 300-350
springs 250-300
lifters 400-600
pushrode 200-250
T&D shaft mount rockers 1200.
That should give you a idea on stuff,Also someone makes a roller lifter that DO NOT have the needdle bearings in them.I think it is either bullet/moral or isky but they are alittle more money but may be worth the peice of mind.
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