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400 block #1315109
10/04/12 05:41 PM
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does a 4500 stroke crank fit in a stock 400 block

Re: 400 block [Re: cesar perez] #1315110
10/04/12 07:29 PM
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What rod journal size is the crank now? what type, steel or aluminum, rods are you wanting to use? I'm sure that you will have to do some grinding on the block unless it has really small(2.00 or smaller like the Honda sizes) rod journals and your going to use small, narrow, steel rods to match the journal size


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Re: 400 block [Re: Cab_Burge] #1315111
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with a bb cheby steel rod

Re: 400 block [Re: cesar perez] #1315112
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Quote:

with a bb cheby steel rod


My 518 motor, 4.375 bore x 4.300 stroke with CAT brand BB Chevy H beam rods needed the oil pick up boss ground on, no other grinding needed I even used the stock internal 3/8 pickup that way Moving the stroke and the sides of the rods out another .100 may need some more grinding on the pump boss and maybe on the bottom of the cylinders, maybe not


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Re: 400 block [Re: Cab_Burge] #1315113
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it seems that the mopar gurus cant answer the ?

Re: 400 block [Re: cesar perez] #1315114
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Even if could fit there are reasons you don't see it done. The side loading with that long of an arm is pretty severe and I'd be worried about the cylinder walls. Also, the piston speed would be fairly high for the displacement and rpm and that can put more stress than I'd want on the block.

Re: 400 block [Re: Kevins493] #1315115
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Cab and I both run 4.300 strokes (4.15/2.375 offset ground to 2.200BBC journals) in low decks and my from 32 yrs of building these things I wouldn't go any longer in a stock low deck block....even if you physically could. More on that later...

In an RB you can generally do a 4.500 since you can get a longer rod in it, depending on your rod length and particularly rod shoulder thickness (e.g., aluminum rods or steelies with through bolts) but you may need to consider a smaller base circle cam as with several SBC and SBF combinations. Long stroke/short rod angles can get so extreme the crank would almost as soon try to push the pin through the thrust side of the bore as it would push the piston to TDC

Back to your low deck...With a 4.5 stroke in a 9.98 deck height with a 6.535 rod you would have about a 1.19"-ish compression height slug on a low deck so it's "mathematically" and physically possible (provided the slug/CW clearance and lower bore/oil pump boss clearancing is taken into account.) The downside is you're going to have a long stroke/short rod combined with a high pin placement. In a stock block with thinnish bores I'd worry more about ring seal/piston stability than I would about 20-ish "potential HP from the few extra cubes.

I will say the 511-518 B combo is PLENTY, trust me on that. I doubt you could feel the extra 4.500 stroke cubes in terms of real world power. There's already more torque than 99% of street cars can harness and up top the long stroke will hit a point of diminishing returns (pumping efficiency/piston speed and ring drag). the 511 it comes on so strong with the 511 package it's really hard to beat in terms of bang for the buck...one of my favorite sayings about everything....just because you 'CAN' doesn't mean you 'SHOULD'...but opinions vary

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