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Re: towing a classic with a classic? [Re: eightlitermopar] #1309085
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Re: towing a classic with a classic? [Re: jcc] #1309086
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a stated towin it could be done,STOPPIN it,thats the prob.just stay in the slow lane and take it easy.then put all new brakes on it.

Re: towing a classic with a classic? [Re: eightlitermopar] #1309087
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I don't think the GVW of your B body is big enough to legally tow a 1500lb trailer with a 3500lb B body on it...at least in my state.
Try one of these...I built it on a lt 1 ton chassis w/ airbags & towing suspension & even though its a short wheelbase 71 PW, it towed my 24' enclosed hauler fine. My 70 U code Cuda had hitch on it when I bought it, so probably towed a boat or two in its time, but that's about all I'd attempt with a passenger car.

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Re: towing a classic with a classic? [Re: Triggerfish] #1309088
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I wouldn't do it. I have towed several times with my '64Dog D100, the last trip being a '91Taurus over the Rockies. Every time I finish a tow like that I say, "Never again."

But here's a couple of things to think about...
1. The tow cars you saw in the adverts above were C-bodies. They were bigger.
2. U-Haul won't rent you a trailer. I had to show up to get the trailer in my 4wd Suburban because the computer said my half-ton wasn't big enough.
3. Unlike your B-body, my D100 has a frame.
4. I'm not worried about you stopping, trailer brakes take care of that. Instead, I'm worried about those long downhill stretches where the trailer starts "driving" the car. Towing a FJ40 Land Cruiser with the D100 I had to air the rear tires up to 60psi to make them stiff enough to resist the trailer trying to steer.

I'm a bit of a cowboy and will try things that others wouldn't, but I'd not even think of what you're doing.

R.

Re: towing a classic with a classic? [Re: dogdays] #1309089
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I wouldn't do it. I have towed several times with my '64Dog D100, the last trip being a '91Taurus over the Rockies. Every time I finish a tow like that I say, "Never again."

But here's a couple of things to think about...
1. The tow cars you saw in the adverts above were C-bodies. They were bigger.
2. U-Haul won't rent you a trailer. I had to show up to get the trailer in my 4wd Suburban because the computer said my half-ton wasn't big enough.
3. Unlike your B-body, my D100 has a frame.
4. I'm not worried about you stopping, trailer brakes take care of that. Instead, I'm worried about those long downhill stretches where the trailer starts "driving" the car. Towing a FJ40 Land Cruiser with the D100 I had to air the rear tires up to 60psi to make them stiff enough to resist the trailer trying to steer.

I'm a bit of a cowboy and will try things that others wouldn't, but I'd not even think of what you're doing.

R.




I agree & Dogdays hit the nail on the head. My 71 W100 (now 1 ton), doesn't haul like my 02 Cummins did, but sure looks nostalgia & gets the thumbs up when hauling something.

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Re: towing a classic with a classic? [Re: eightlitermopar] #1309090
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when you total both then your question will be answered.......


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Re: towing a classic with a classic? [Re: DaytonaTurbo] #1309091
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I sometimes forget the soggy springs a lot of guys have in their old cars. I have real stout springs in the back of mine. My frame (as skrawny as I am) barely can move my rear bumped up and down when pushing with all my weight on the trunk lid.

I guess another thing to consider as well is back in the day everyone used their cars for hauling. Plenty of old mopars had hitches and towed trailers. Maybe not 5500 pounds but they did tow.




they towed boats to the lake, not full trailer and then another car on top.....


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Re: towing a classic with a classic? [Re: NewbombTurkk] #1309092
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My brother just picked this up. From Florida with only 44,000 miles. We are going to tow my race car with it.


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Re: towing a classic with a classic? [Re: 6PKRTSE] #1309093
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It's a 78' so I call it a classic.


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Re: towing a classic with a classic? [Re: eightlitermopar] #1309094
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I've done what your asking more than once and NO I would not do it again.

Towed a trailer with my 73 340 4speed and my 70 convertible on it and no engine. Had a flat towing the empty trailer from TN to LA because the tire rubbed the wheelwell under the load.
Coming back with my vert on it it went OK cause the balance was better and less load on the tounge.
Went back for my 73 Charger. Made it back and noticed that the rear bumper was bent from the load. This is the 73 bumpers with the steel reinforcements that can take some serious beating and not the 71 and older thin chrome veneers they call bumpers.

Went back to get my 74 RR/GTX & my 70 Barracuda. Used a tow bar on the Cuda behind the GTX. That Cuda wanted to drive half the trip. Had to leave the interstate and go on backroads that weren't rutted out. White knuckle driving all the way.

Lastly I tried to bring home my son's Buick behind my Satellite on a dolly. I was only going 6 blocks or so and still nearly trashed my car. Going slow (~15 MPH) I hit the brakes and slid into and intersection where it Jack-knifed in the middle of it.

Last time out I had a LWB 1/2 ton truck and a trailer for my Satellite Parts car. Smooth, Easy and no problems.

It can be done but it is stupid to try it. I know, I was lucky.

Re: towing a classic with a classic? [Re: IMGTX] #1309095
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My Imperial was rated to tow 5000 lbs. That would get you a medium RV trailer but is less than the weight of a B body on a steel trailer.
Andrewh hauled a 69 RR on a HEAVY home built trailer behind his 64 Dodge 880. The trip went from Idaho to DFW with a blizzard most of the way. He got stuck in a ditch once but that was due to icy downhill conditions and he had plenty of company in that ditch. The car had a receiver hitch welded to the rear rails and a load equalizing hitch was used.


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Re: towing a classic with a classic? [Re: feets] #1309096
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I like equalizing hitches behind what ever I tow with to help stabilize the load if I am towing a tag trailer, which I rarely do. My boat is a tag but the rest are goosenecks. No comparison in towing a goose over a tag even if the tag has a weight distributing hitch.

Re: towing a classic with a classic? [Re: eightlitermopar] #1309097
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I have a random question about moving some cars across the country related to the towing capacity of our old muscle cars.

Who here has hauled a classic mopar with another classic mopar?

I have a 71 roadrunner (383 auto) and a 69 coronet (318 auto).

Why couldn’t I drive one and pull the other one on a trailer?

I am in the planning mode and this will not happen anytime soon, but the “trip” would be 2400 miles.

Any other ideas about moving these two cars across the states?

I could get a 40’ trailer and haul them both at the same time with a truck, but that sounds risky too.

Your thoughts?

Eightlitermopar




Nope - don't do it. If you are going to move one with the other, towbar. I've towbared probably 30,000 miles from Phoenix to Detroit back in the 80's - just don't get in a panic stop situation or take sharp highway off-ramps fast - DAMHIK on the off-ramps (one event in Indiana)! Mopars with engines & good front ends follow beautifully. GTO's NEVER follow beautifully - DAMHIK! Here's a photo of one of our caravans - first breakdown not even 40 miles from Phoenix! The beginning of another LOONNNGGG trip home in 100+^ degree heat. Glad those days are behind me!

7393447-AZ.Towbars.jpg (45 downloads)

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Re: towing a classic with a classic? [Re: Sunroofcuda] #1309098
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I towed a 69 383 auto Barracuda Formula S with my 68 Dart GT convertible with a 318 727 factory tow package from northern Indiana to north of Chicago with a homemade towbar and using the factory hitch that bolts to the bumper and to the sheetmetal of the spare well. That was in 1987 and I still can't believe I didn't know any better...


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Re: towing a classic with a classic? [Re: Triggerfish] #1309099
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I wouldn't do it. I have towed several times with my '64Dog D100, the last trip being a '91Taurus over the Rockies. Every time I finish a tow like that I say, "Never again."

But here's a couple of things to think about...
1. The tow cars you saw in the adverts above were C-bodies. They were bigger.
2. U-Haul won't rent you a trailer. I had to show up to get the trailer in my 4wd Suburban because the computer said my half-ton wasn't big enough.
3. Unlike your B-body, my D100 has a frame.
4. I'm not worried about you stopping, trailer brakes take care of that. Instead, I'm worried about those long downhill stretches where the trailer starts "driving" the car. Towing a FJ40 Land Cruiser with the D100 I had to air the rear tires up to 60psi to make them stiff enough to resist the trailer trying to steer.

I'm a bit of a cowboy and will try things that others wouldn't, but I'd not even think of what you're doing.

R.




I agree & Dogdays hit the nail on the head. My 71 W100 (now 1 ton), doesn't haul like my 02 Cummins did, but sure looks nostalgia & gets the thumbs up when hauling something.




Triggerfish thats a SWEEET ride! Also, the dogs are purty

Re: towing a classic with a classic? [Re: 71rm23] #1309100
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I wouldn't do it. I have towed several times with my '64Dog D100, the last trip being a '91Taurus over the Rockies. Every time I finish a tow like that I say, "Never again."

But here's a couple of things to think about...
1. The tow cars you saw in the adverts above were C-bodies. They were bigger.
2. U-Haul won't rent you a trailer. I had to show up to get the trailer in my 4wd Suburban because the computer said my half-ton wasn't big enough.
3. Unlike your B-body, my D100 has a frame.
4. I'm not worried about you stopping, trailer brakes take care of that. Instead, I'm worried about those long downhill stretches where the trailer starts "driving" the car. Towing a FJ40 Land Cruiser with the D100 I had to air the rear tires up to 60psi to make them stiff enough to resist the trailer trying to steer.

I'm a bit of a cowboy and will try things that others wouldn't, but I'd not even think of what you're doing.

R.




I agree & Dogdays hit the nail on the head. My 71 W100 (now 1 ton), doesn't haul like my 02 Cummins did, but sure looks nostalgia & gets the thumbs up when hauling something.




Triggerfish thats a SWEEET ride! Also, the dogs are purty



Thanks much & those are my "Mopups"...
Also, here's a link to the Diesel Power Mag feature article of a 68
W200, 5.9 Cummins conversion whose owner lives here in Reno. I want to do a 5.9 12 valve conversion to my PW one day. It'd be nice to get 20 mpg w/ 800 ft lbs of towing power! Eightlitermopar could tow both cars with this rig.
http://www.dieselpowermag.com/features/dodge/1207dp_1968_dodge_w200_vitamin_c/
If nostalgia is what he's looking for, here's the way to do it...safely, too.

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Re: towing a classic with a classic? [Re: None2Slow] #1309101
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Do they even make a hitch for that car that is up to the class rating?

Hitch Measurements

Class 1 (Class I) trailer hitch Trailer hitch with capacity of up to 2,000 lbs gross trailer weight and 200 lbs tongue weight.

Class 2 (Class II) trailer hitch Trailer hitch with weight-carrying rating of up to 3,500 lbs gross trailer weight and 300/350 lbs tongue weight.

Class 3 (Class III) trailer hitch Trailer hitch with weight carrying rating of up to 5,000 lbs gross trailer weight and 500 lbs tongue weight. Also sometimes used to refer to a hitch with any 2" receiver, regardless of rating.

Class 4 (Class IV) trailer hitch Trailer hitch with weight carrying rating of up to 10,000 lbs gross trailer weight and 1,000 - 1,200 lbs tongue weight. Although many times any hitch with a capacity greater than 5,000 lbs gross weight is referred to as a Class 4.






The key point here is "up to" means WITH a weight distributing hitch; a Class IV hitch without the bars is rated at only 500 lbs deadweight and 5000 lbs towing.

The proper tongue weight isn't 10%, it is 12 - 15% which with a 1500 lb open trailer and a 4000 lb car is 660 - 825 lbs...DEFINETLY class IV WITH WD bars.

I would never tow that much weight with any unibody vehicle.

Yes, it isn't about power, it's about brakes, suspension and tires.

All in all, it's a bad idea; sure they did it 45 years ago but now speeds are higher and the other cars on the road stop faster.

If a person was bent on doing it, you'd need to ensure you had a proper class IV hitch designed for the vehicle, ensure the unibody is solid, use a WD hitch setup, ensure the trailer brakes are in good condition, use a decent brake controler, ensure the towing cars DISK brakes are in good shape and use airbags or HD springs to level the load....oh yeah and new tires with the appropriate weight ratings aired to max (or a little beyond)

...oh yeah, and keep the speed down...way down.



Dave


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Re: towing a classic with a classic? [Re: DPelletier] #1309102
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Glad I'm not the only "idiot" who has done this. 10 years ago a buddy told me of a GY3 71 Duster340 roller across the province in Dauphin (about 200 miles) for cheap. Took my 71 /6 Swinger down to a local trailer place and they built me a Class2 hitch for the frame. Rented a towbar, and at the crack of dawn with lots of coffee headed out to get it. Ended up breaking one of the safety chain loops trying to jerk/pull it out of the soft snow covered area it was in, but got it hooked up. And made it home. Do it again? Nope.

Unless...

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Re: towing a classic with a classic? [Re: eightlitermopar] #1309103
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Isn't that what people used to do at one time?

I remember Dave Turner pulling an open trailer carrying his '70 super/stock Hemi Challenger as late as 1985... His tow car? A '71 Hemi roadrunner!

Re: towing a classic with a classic? [Re: 52savoy] #1309104
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Isn't that what people used to do at one time?




Yeah! It wasn't very long ago that I saw an old video from the Mopar Nationals. I think it was 1985. The person was filming the cars as they came in the main gate at National Trails. I was amazed at how many of the vehicles were towed in behind station wagons and c-bodies. Back then, duallies were not seen very often and we still didn't have the Cummins 5.9.

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