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Re: 10 sec stock stroke 360 combos
[Re: cheapstreetdustr]
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09/21/12 12:00 AM
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I would think the car will need to go on a diet or you'll have to pony up for a set of decent heads like W2's etc. You'd have more luck doing it with a 5.7 Gen 3 Hemi
Alan Jones
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Re: 10 sec stock stroke 360 combos
[Re: mshred]
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09/21/12 12:26 AM
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Sure as heck doesn't need NOS to run ten's. My sons duster ended up running 10.50's this year. 1970 duster that weights 3200+ pounds.
360 stock crank .030 over
app 11.3 comp. ran on 93 pump gas last year but now on alcohol.
750 alcohol carb
520 lift racer brown cam
touched up edelbrock heads
victor intake
K1 H beam rods
1.5 harlan sharp rockers
1 7/8 headmen headers
4:30 gears 8 3/4 rearend
904 trans with low stock gear set
5000 stall convertor
shifts at 6400 rpm
10-28 M/T slicks
caltracks
10 point cage, full interior, only fiberglass is 6 pac hood.
1970 Duster
Edelbrock headed 408
5.984@112.52
422 Indy headed small block
5.982@112.56 mph
9.42@138.27
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Re: 10 sec stock stroke 360 combos
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09/21/12 12:32 AM
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I would think the car will need to go on a diet or you'll have to pony up for a set of decent heads like W2's etc. You'd have more luck doing it with a 5.7 Gen 3 Hemi
As much as I would LOVE to go Gen3, the cost to do so just isn't viable for me...the engine itself is not expensive, but its all the swap components, and the fact that stock bottom ends aren't exactly ideal to be hopping up so it seems
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Re: 10 sec stock stroke 360 combos
[Re: pittsburghracer]
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09/21/12 12:34 AM
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Sure as heck doesn't need NOS to run ten's. My sons duster ended up running 10.50's this year. 1970 duster that weights 3200+ pounds.
360 stock crank .030 over
app 11.3 comp. ran on 93 pump gas last year but now on alcohol.
750 alcohol carb
520 lift racer brown cam
touched up edelbrock heads
victor intake
K1 H beam rods
1.5 harlan sharp rockers
1 7/8 headmen headers
4:30 gears 8 3/4 rearend
904 trans with low stock gear set
5000 stall convertor
shifts at 6400 rpm
10-28 M/T slicks
caltracks
10 point cage, full interior, only fiberglass is 6 pac hood.
Wow, that runs good! Im around 3400lbs and only 10.2cr on 94 octane pump gas with an iron head, but that is definitely encouraging..I wonder what your sons car would like at my weight and compression 
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Re: 10 sec stock stroke 360 combos
[Re: pittsburghracer]
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09/21/12 01:14 AM
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Sure as heck doesn't need NOS to run ten's. My sons duster ended up running 10.50's this year. 1970 duster that weights 3200+ pounds.
360 stock crank .030 over
app 11.3 comp. ran on 93 pump gas last year but now on alcohol.
750 alcohol carb
520 lift racer brown cam
touched up edelbrock heads
victor intake
K1 H beam rods
1.5 harlan sharp rockers
1 7/8 headmen headers
4:30 gears 8 3/4 rearend
904 trans with low stock gear set
5000 stall convertor
shifts at 6400 rpm
10-28 M/T slicks
caltracks
10 point cage, full interior, only fiberglass is 6 pac hood.
Wow, that runs good! Im around 3400lbs and only 10.2cr on 94 octane pump gas with an iron head, but that is definitely encouraging..I wonder what your sons car would like at my weight and compression
Honestly I know his car is heavier than what I said as it is not gutted but hopefully we will weigh it at the Halloween Classic at Norwalk. His engine ran 10.20's in my car on 93 octain back when my car weighted 2550# last year. It almost a waste to run alcohol with 11.3 comp but he thinks its more consistent. I think its a pain in the butt compared to pump gas. I could see it if he was 13.1
It just seems so simple for what it is...When I think stock stroke combos I think LIGHT cars, big gear gear ratios (4.56 plus), race gas high compression, and super loose converters.
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Re: 10 sec stock stroke 360 combos
[Re: Brian Hafliger]
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09/21/12 01:27 AM
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Sure as heck doesn't need NOS to run ten's. My sons duster ended up running 10.50's this year. 1970 duster that weights 3200+ pounds.
360 stock crank .030 over
app 11.3 comp. ran on 93 pump gas last year but now on alcohol.
750 alcohol carb
520 lift racer brown cam
touched up edelbrock heads
victor intake
K1 H beam rods
1.5 harlan sharp rockers
1 7/8 headmen headers
4:30 gears 8 3/4 rearend
904 trans with low stock gear set
5000 stall convertor
shifts at 6400 rpm
10-28 M/T slicks
caltracks
10 point cage, full interior, only fiberglass is 6 pac hood.
Wow, that runs good! Im around 3400lbs and only 10.2cr on 94 octane pump gas with an iron head, but that is definitely encouraging..I wonder what your sons car would like at my weight and compression
Honestly I know his car is heavier than what I said as it is not gutted but hopefully we will weigh it at the Halloween Classic at Norwalk. His engine ran 10.20's in my car on 93 octain back when my car weighted 2550# last year. It almost a waste to run alcohol with 11.3 comp but he thinks its more consistent. I think its a pain in the butt compared to pump gas. I could see it if he was 13.1
Does he cruise it around town, and drive a couple of hours to the track and then back home?
This is what Matt wants to do...not sure it's a viable option when running an 8" converter and alky!!
Here's what my car did with a 500HP W2 headed 360 when I wanted it to be a street/strip car:
1.8xx 60ft using a streetable 3500stall 9 1/2 converter! Ran 11.50's at 119-120mph.
Changed the converter, and instantly ran 1.60 60ft. and 11.teens! That same combo eventually ran 10.70's...but not street friendly!!
Brian
Brian, can you see I haven't given up on the short stroke stuff yet?? LOL
Everything above is true, except I don't drive it to the track anymore as I trailer it in case of breakage...but yes, I should have mentioned driving around town ALOT, and highway use also...ah, the voice of reason lol
Stroker is something I am still debating as well- lots of good running stroker combos posted, but not many stock stroke ones...decisions decisions
  
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Re: 10 sec stock stroke 360 combos
[Re: mshred]
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09/21/12 01:33 AM
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I am in the same boat...shooting for 10.9's with a street-friendly smallblock
Just picked up a complete (in boxes, haha) 360/727 to build a new motor for my car...as much as I want to keep it cheap/easy...I think its going to end up a stroker, lol
DJV's recent build has inspired me
Faster, Faster until the thrill of speed overcomes the fear of death...
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66 Belv. II - just a streetcar
88 Mustang - turbo LS beater
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Re: 10 sec stock stroke 360 combos
[Re: mshred]
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09/21/12 02:32 AM
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Let's hear how fast you have gone with a 3.58 stroke crank combo, and what your combo was to get there
Want to run the 10.90 index class at my local track and still keep the cast crank stock stroke 360 if I could rather than stroke it. I think my limitation will be my 3400lb weight, 4.10 gear by 28" tire, and 10.5:1 compression max (iron head pump gas street car)
I guess I can't help but ask the question- Why a 360? I know it can be done and may save you some money on using a cast crank but that's not a good place to start cost cutting for what you want to do. You need to turn more rpm with the 360 to get the same job done and if it happens to come apart you won't be money ahead.
Why make things more difficult than they need to be- put a forged 4" arm in it and don't look back.
I know, I know...not what you wanted to hear...
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Re: 10 sec stock stroke 360 combos
[Re: 72demon416]
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09/21/12 08:09 AM
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Let's hear how fast you have gone with a 3.58 stroke crank combo, and what your combo was to get there
Want to run the 10.90 index class at my local track and still keep the cast crank stock stroke 360 if I could rather than stroke it. I think my limitation will be my 3400lb weight, 4.10 gear by 28" tire, and 10.5:1 compression max (iron head pump gas street car)
I guess I can't help but ask the question- Why a 360? I know it can be done and may save you some money on using a cast crank but that's not a good place to start cost cutting for what you want to do. You need to turn more rpm with the 360 to get the same job done and if it happens to come apart you won't be money ahead.
Why make things more difficult than they need to be- put a forged 4" arm in it and don't look back.
I know, I know...not what you wanted to hear...
I hear ya...I just have more respect for a little engine getting it done then just stroking it as the solution- not to mention the wallet is kinda tight right now to move up to a 4" forged crank and forged pistons (Already have the scat i-beams in this engine).
More than likely if I keep it a stock stroke it will just get a small hit of the spray to run the number- thinking a 100 shot should do it. I was just curious to see how "on the edge" some 10sec. builds were. Brian already filled me in on what I needed to do if I wanted to stay 3.58", and I just wanted to get an idea of how others were doing it as well
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Re: 10 sec stock stroke 360 combos
[Re: mshred]
#1307696
09/21/12 09:08 AM
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I just cant see skimping on a crank and then spraying that cast crank to make up for it. You could sell your current rotating assembly and get the stroker crank and have years of fun, then maybe add spray down the road.
Im wanting to do the same thing in the next yr or 2, I want a streetable 10.90 small block, hopefully a Gen3 Hemi.
1970 Challenger, all aluminum 528 Hemi, HDK suspension, Tremec 5 speed manual
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Re: 10 sec stock stroke 360 combos
[Re: Mr.Yuck]
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09/21/12 09:20 AM
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My 360 has edelbrock heads with 2.05 valves and shady dells 5 angle valve job on them(had a broken valve forcing some changes) they are unported otherwise. Solid roller 258@.060 and .645 lift with 1.6 RRs. KB107s at zero deck for 11:1 compresion. TTI step headers and full exhaust out the stock tips. TA4500 8" converter 727 and 3.91 gears with 275/50/15 MT ET Street radials. I don't know what it wieghs, last time I wieghed it was 3550lbs with driver. The car and driver have lost some wieght so I would say 3400ish on the starting line. Its been 11.46@116.5 and it still has plenty to be sorted out. I have been having some ignition demons that have forced a 6000RPM shift point and it "feels" like it should be shifted higher but I don't know for sure yet. I think it could have .20s or .30s in it when sorted out. COuld it go 10s? I think it could go 10s with a new exhaust system(this one is 16 years old with muffler shop bends) ported heads, and maybe a cam change. But I have a nice .020 over 340 block and a 4" crank in the garagefor that. My goal is a full trim street car that will go 10.50s. I just did drag week and I am hooked, so 100% street friendly is a must. EDIT, I might go to a low gear 904 over the winter. I have run one before and going back to a 727 cost me a few tenths. It had nitrous on a pig 360 back then and I had to up the shot to get the ET back but it still wouldn't 60 the same. No more broken converter snouts though!
68 Barracuda Formula S 340
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