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Re: airwolf sbm 220 heads!!!! for a sb mopar [Re: Streetwize] #1300139
01/01/13 05:49 PM
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Just a note, ON LS bore size's now range are ls-3 = 6.2lt. = 4.065. The LS-7 is, 4.125!!!!

Re: airwolf sbm 220 heads!!!! for a sb mopar [Re: Streetwize] #1300140
01/01/13 07:18 PM
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Keith,

But by that reasoning, wouldn't a SB Chevy or Windsor Ford be at a HP DISADVANTAGE because neither of those motors have the valve centerlines at the bore centerline like the mopar does?

They DO have a disadvantage in that respect,but they have the advantage on port size and shape. Bryces Chevy build had better flowing heads and bigger bores. That is why I would like to see similar bore sizes tested between the two.

Re: airwolf sbm 220 heads!!!! for a sb mopar [Re: Dunnuck Racing] #1300141
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Keith,

But by that reasoning, wouldn't a SB Chevy or Windsor Ford be at a HP DISADVANTAGE because neither of those motors have the valve centerlines at the bore centerline like the mopar does?

They DO have a disadvantage in that respect,but they have the advantage on port size and shape. Bryces Chevy build had better flowing heads and bigger bores. That is why I would like to see similar bore sizes tested between the two.




Is someone contemplating a build for Cut's small-block race that's being yacked about over on the bullit.....??????

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Re: airwolf sbm 220 heads!!!! for a sb mopar [Re: rickstershemi] #1300142
01/02/13 10:26 AM
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Vic,

Interestingly, Bryce's published flow numbers for the Mopar 220's was on a 4.125 bore so I expect the actual flow in the 4.03 bore 633 hp dyno 408 would have been a bit less than the advertised numbers.

On the LS I guess I forgot about the 427" Z06 motor....my bad but that one is kind of a special case that is few in number and only resides in Vette's. does Dart or someone make a 4.125" bore aluminum aftermarket block? I know there are a few iron ones. I have an 06 Trailblazer SS with the LS2 I may look at upgrading someday. Right now it's my tow vehicle


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World's Quickest Diahatsu Rocky (??) 414" Stroker Small block Mopar Powered. 10.84 @ 123...and gettin' quicker!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-mWzLma3YGI

In Car:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PjXcf95e6v0
Re: airwolf sbm 220 heads!!!! for a sb mopar [Re: Streetwize] #1300143
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Interesting to look at the published Indybrock (offset rocker w/removed pushrod pinch) flow numbers vs the Airwolfs on the 587 horse 360 thread. I'd love to see a side by side since the Advertised flow numbers are so close. What might be even more interesting is what the AW's might flow with the offset rocker and removed pinch...


WIZE

World's Quickest Diahatsu Rocky (??) 414" Stroker Small block Mopar Powered. 10.84 @ 123...and gettin' quicker!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-mWzLma3YGI

In Car:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PjXcf95e6v0
Re: airwolf sbm 220 heads!!!! for a sb mopar [Re: Streetwize] #1300144
01/02/13 03:11 PM
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One thing I learned on my build is to take the advertised flow numbers with a grain of salt - I tested 3 different heads on the shops flowbench and none were close to the advertised numbers.

I guess what I am trying to say is that all flowbenches seem to flow different, so unless they are flowed on the same bench then it is real hard to compare the numbers advertised.

Re: airwolf sbm 220 heads!!!! for a sb mopar [Re: DJVCuda] #1300145
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Yes, that's no doubt very true.

But over 30+ years now I can pretty much look at a port or compare 2 ports side by side and fairly accurately predict the outcomes. I can pretty much do it blindfolded by touch and tell what kind of power the head will make.

The interesting thing is I think I learned more about Mopar heads from going back and forth to them after working with several other makes and wedge layouts.

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WIZE

World's Quickest Diahatsu Rocky (??) 414" Stroker Small block Mopar Powered. 10.84 @ 123...and gettin' quicker!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-mWzLma3YGI

In Car:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PjXcf95e6v0
Re: airwolf sbm 220 heads!!!! for a sb mopar [Re: Streetwize] #1300146
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Streetwize:
I have an 06 Trailblazer SS with the LS2 I may look at upgrading someday. Right now it's my tow vehicle




You can have your LS2 block resleeved using the Darton Dry Sleeve system for up to 4.185 bore. For larger bores, go with the ERL SuperDeck system and have up to a 4.200 bore if you desire.

ERL, RED and Livernois all perform this mod.

ERL: http://erlperformance.com/home-domestic
RED: http://www.raceenginedevelopment.com/pages/694927/index.htm

Livernois Sleeving demonstration: http://ls1tech.com/forums/generation-iv-...onstration.html

Re: airwolf sbm 220 heads!!!! for a sb mopar [Re: Streetwize] #1300147
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Yes, that's no doubt very true.

But over 30+ years now I can pretty much look at a port or compare 2 ports side by side and fairly accurately predict the outcomes. I can pretty much do it blindfolded by touch and tell what kind of power the head will make.

The interesting thing is I think I learned more about Mopar heads from going back and forth to them after working with several other makes and wedge layouts.




How true that is. The machinist I worked with showed me a lot of that. He showed a few obvious differences a novice would pass right over such as dog boning in the intake runners and such. Very interesting stuff.

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