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Rev-n-nator ignition boxes.... Anyone tried them? #1298789
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I've read about these in Mopar Muscle and MCG this month. This seems like a viable alternative to the dreaded Orange box.
The write-up in MM showed a comparison between the Revonator, a parts store Wells generic box, a functioning orange box ( Where the heck did they find one?) and a chrome box. The results were pretty impressive.
The Rev box showed HUGE gains between 3800 and 5000 rpms compared to the Wells and orange box. I actually have a generic parts store box in the Charger and the idea of gaining 50+ horsepower this easily is pretty tempting. I'm going to check pricing.

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Re: Rev-n-nator ignition boxes.... Anyone tried them? [Re: Kern Dog] #1298790
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have been giving this thoughts myself.

Re: Rev-n-nator ignition boxes.... Anyone tried them? [Re: macmic87] #1298791
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I will stay with my MSD 6AL...


I am truckless..
Re: Rev-n-nator ignition boxes.... Anyone tried them? [Re: Kern Dog] #1298792
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Re: Rev-n-nator ignition boxes.... Anyone tried them? [Re: Kern Dog] #1298793
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Quote:

I've read about these in Mopar Muscle and MCG this month. This seems like a viable alternative to the dreaded Orange box.
The write-up in MM showed a comparison between the Revonator, a parts store Wells generic box, a functioning orange box ( Where the heck did they find one?) and a chrome box. The results were pretty impressive.
The Rev box showed HUGE gains between 3800 and 5000 rpms compared to the Wells and orange box. I actually have a generic parts store box in the Charger and the idea of gaining 50+ horsepower this easily is pretty tempting. I'm going to check pricing.




I haven't read either article but 50hp? Do you REALLY think you can bolt on a different box and get a 50hp increase on your street car? ....I'll save you the effort: it ain't gonna happen.


Dave


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Re: Rev-n-nator ignition boxes.... Anyone tried them? [Re: DPelletier] #1298794
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50 hp?comom! lets see the dyno test.

Re: Rev-n-nator ignition boxes.... Anyone tried them? [Re: DPelletier] #1298795
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I'm running one. Maybe the first one overseas sold ( it has the number 20 serial on it ) got it on the email subscription first offer.

I'M PLENTY HAPPY WITH IT. My engine revs like the wind like never befor, without miss a beat.

I had FBO A688 set ( coil, ECU and everything )untill his ECU failed. I mounted initially the Rev-N-Nator with the FBO coil what it was still working. Troy from RT garage told me on their test the FBO coil didn't match very well with their ECU. After a week, I can say with facts this statement is true. My car began to miss beats and get hard starting. Installed a MSD Blaster 2 coil I had around and WROOOM, everything back to the pleasure of normal again... but over the stock normal LOL

I can't talk against an MSD since I never have tried an MSD Module, but against ALL THE REST MODULES I HAVE USED ( MP Orange and Chromed, FBO and the one what Rick Eherenberg sells ) THIS IS THE BEST I HAVE USED and the "upstep" is TOTALLY NOTICEABLE.

and IN A PLUG AND PLAY JOB keeping my Mopar as Mopar on everything


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Re: Rev-n-nator ignition boxes.... Anyone tried them? [Re: DPelletier] #1298796
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I (painfully) reread most of the old thread. My observations;

- Yes you could get a 40hp increase (maybe) on a 13.1 to 1 race engine over a stock box...of course nobody with such an engine uses a stock box so that's a little misleading IMO.

- Another member posted a 5hp increase over his MSD6Al - I can believe that.

- Dave Dudek got a 16rwhp increase over a stock orange box on his Purestock Hemi 'Bee. I'm assuming that Mr. D doesn't intend to field a loser so I expect his engine to be in the 600hp (gross flywheel) range

All that having been said, there is no way that you'll see anywhere near 50hp bolting a Rev-n-ator in place of a functioning factory box on your basic street engine.

I don't think it's a bad product; in fact I'm thinking of getting one for my Purestock 440-6 'Bee but I don't expect to see any huge gains...maybe 5-10hp which would be just fine.


Dave


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Re: Rev-n-nator ignition boxes.... Anyone tried them? [Re: DPelletier] #1298797
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It never ceases to amaze me how people feel the need to bash others.
If anybody feels my testing was misleading I apologize ,that was not my intentions .
For those of you that don't know,I originally started testing the ignition boxes with a pump gas 440. That engine Had a valve head come off and take a piston and its cylinder out.

After that,I pulled the engine out of my bracket race car so I could do some more testing.
The only reason I tested a stock type ignition box was because I had heard people say they would run as well as anything else available in a post on here.
To try and please all the people that are curious,I am getting a VERY mild 360 ready to show how it responds.
But yes,I do know racers that either have,or do run the MP boxes on bracket cars,that is what the testing was aimed at.
Hopefully this will clear things up a little.
Keith

Re: Rev-n-nator ignition boxes.... Anyone tried them? [Re: Dunnuck Racing] #1298798
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Quote:

It never ceases to amaze me how people feel the need to bash others.
If anybody feels my testing was misleading I apologize ,that was not my intentions .
For those of you that don't know,I originally started testing the ignition boxes with a pump gas 440. That engine Had a valve head come off and take a piston and its cylinder out.

After that,I pulled the engine out of my bracket race car so I could do some more testing.
The only reason I tested a stock type ignition box was because I had heard people say they would run as well as anything else available in a post on here.
To try and please all the people that are curious,I am getting a VERY mild 360 ready to show how it responds.
But yes,I do know racers that either have,or do run the MP boxes on bracket cars,that is what the testing was aimed at.
Hopefully this will clear things up a little.
Keith




I haven't bashed anyone, least of all you. The "misleading" part I'm refering to is the 40 and 50hp increase claims; based on all the data you and others have posted, it is (IMO) misleading to suggest that a typical street motor will see those gains simply by plugging in one of these boxes.

I am not suggesting that these aren't the greatest thing since sliced bread: as I said, I will probably buy one BUT I am a bit of a realist and I don't need to be a rocket scientist or own a Dyno to KNOW that I won't be getting any "50+ hp gain" by plugging in one of these wonderboxes.

The test that the manufacturer posted showing a 12hp increase on a stock 340, a 0.7 increase over a MSD7AL and a 2.7hp increase over an MSD6AL are very believable IMO as are the independent results noted by Dave Dudek. DD claims a 16hp increase over a stock box on what I assume to be a 600hp purestock Hemi; makes sense to me. As my motor is a 450hp motor and doesn't have the rev range that the Hemi has, I would expect much more moderate gains in the 5-10hp range.

I'm not questioning you, your honesty or your results; I just think people need to be realistic in interpreting them and how swapping the box might affect their particular setup.


Dave


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Re: Rev-n-nator ignition boxes.... Anyone tried them? [Re: DPelletier] #1298799
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I totally agree people need to be realistic about the gains.
Sorry I looks some of your comments as bashing,but too much of that goes on around here.
Ill let you know how it does,good or bad,on the stock-ish 360
Keith

Re: Rev-n-nator ignition boxes.... Anyone tried them? [Re: Dunnuck Racing] #1298800
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Met him at Carlisle. His wife is a sweetheart.

It's a nice looking piece of equipment. I am sure it is better quality then stock.....but 50 hp gain is a little wishful thinking IMO.

Re: Rev-n-nator ignition boxes.... Anyone tried them? [Re: bonefish] #1298801
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Dannuck has been posting the dyno results in the new products section. 50 sounds high but there is some improvement. Tim
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50 hp?comom! lets see the dyno test.



Re: Rev-n-nator ignition boxes.... Anyone tried them? [Re: Dunnuck Racing] #1298802
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It never ceases to amaze me how people feel the need to bash others.





It never ceases to amaze me how TENDER the feelings of people have become I don't see what Dave posted as bashing you.

Re: Rev-n-nator ignition boxes.... Anyone tried them? [Re: astjp2] #1298803
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Looks like a good product with well needed features for the stock appearing guys.

The sales pitch info with 10-40 "average" increases I take with a grain of salt.

Re: Rev-n-nator ignition boxes.... Anyone tried them? [Re: JohnRR] #1298804
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It never ceases to amaze me how people feel the need to bash others.





It never ceases to amaze me how TENDER the feelings of people have become I don't see what Dave posted as bashing you.



And it never ceases to amaze me why people ask why somebody quit posting on Moparts

Re: Rev-n-nator ignition boxes.... Anyone tried them? [Re: Dunnuck Racing] #1298805
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If you are going to tout a product in public then you darn sure better to be able to handle a little negativity. Most defininetly when you push the limits of believability as to it's capabilities.

Re: Rev-n-nator ignition boxes.... Anyone tried them? [Re: stumpy] #1298806
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Facts are,I never claimed 50 horsepower gains.
If anybody would take time to look at the charts being referred to,the 50 hp"gain" being referred to is actually a slight gain with the RevNNator,and a huge loss by the stock type box where it could not properly fire this engine.
This is most likely due to the higher cylinder pressure associated with the engine design.
The loss from that box was easier to see in the graph I provided that was edited out of the article after I sent it in.
I can handle critics,I need proof of things myself

Re: Rev-n-nator ignition boxes.... Anyone tried them? [Re: Dunnuck Racing] #1298807
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Dudek tested one and said it was worth 15hp over 6 grand over a orange box. He could tell you better

Re: Rev-n-nator ignition boxes.... Anyone tried them? [Re: NachoRT74] #1298808
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I'm running one. Maybe the first one overseas sold ( it has the number 20 serial on it ) got it on the email subscription first offer.

I'M PLENTY HAPPY WITH IT. My engine revs like the wind like never befor, without miss a beat.

I had FBO A688 set ( coil, ECU and everything )untill his ECU failed. I mounted initially the Rev-N-Nator with the FBO coil what it was still working. Troy from RT garage told me on their test the FBO coil didn't match very well with their ECU. After a week, I can say with facts this statement is true. My car began to miss beats and get hard starting. Installed a MSD Blaster 2 coil I had around and WROOOM, everything back to the pleasure of normal again... but over the stock normal LOL

I can't talk against an MSD since I never have tried an MSD Module, but against ALL THE REST MODULES I HAVE USED ( MP Orange and Chromed, FBO and the one what Rick Eherenberg sells ) THIS IS THE BEST I HAVE USED and the "upstep" is TOTALLY NOTICEABLE.

and IN A PLUG AND PLAY JOB keeping my Mopar as Mopar on everything


Nacho, thank you very much for your input. this is VERY good and street level info. i've been waiting to hear things like this.

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