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Which Street Carb. for 440 Stick Car??
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Need to buy a carb. for a 1971 440, stick car with a purple stripe. I want a hassle free, no nonsense, bolt it on, fine tune it and go carb. for a cruise & daily driver type situation. What are your recommendations?? I'm thinking maybe an Edelbrock with an electric choke?? Thanks in advance!! 
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Re: Which Street Carb. for 440 Stick Car??
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I want a hassle free, no nonsense, bolt it on, fine tune it and go carb.
No such thing. Period. Most carb problems on this board are from people who think like this. A carb can't jump out of a box and know what your engine wants. You can't just throw a carb on, play with the idle screws and expect it to be done. They sell tuning kits for a reason. Jets, rods, power valves, accelerator pump cams and nozzles, secondary springs, etc.
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Re: Which Street Carb. for 440 Stick Car??
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09/06/12 04:21 AM
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I want a hassle free, no nonsense, bolt it on, fine tune it and go carb.
No such thing. Period. Most carb problems on this board are from people who think like this. A carb can't jump out of a box and know what your engine wants. You can't just throw a carb on, play with the idle screws and expect it to be done. They sell tuning kits for a reason. Jets, rods, power valves, accelerator pump cams and nozzles, secondary springs, etc.
Technically true- the only exception I have ever used was a Predator PX6000- this is a variable venturi carb that basically tunes itself. The X version had an idle circuit. You could change a set of cams though to richen/lean the mixture- but this was an across the board set change, not a specific change. They can be found still but they are $$$, and strangely enough very tall. I had hood clearance issues with it....Hell of a carb though.....
Now- that being said-
I agree totally. On a standard Holley or Carter/Edelbrock- Yes- every engine is different and the carb must be tuned for that engine.
Despite what Holley advertises as a 'Bolt-it-on-and-go' Street Avenger series I believe they call it- you will have to do some tuning.
To answer the question - I'd use a Edelbrock AVS series, and I'd start with what would have been the standard needle/jetting for a typical 440 of that time and work from there. Yes- you will need a tuning kit with different needles/jets and springs. A good selection of pump squirters isn't a bad idea either, even though you can drill out the one's you have if need be. But the factory 440 tune is a good starting point- but ONLY a starting point.
It's not that I don't like the Holley- yes a 950HP would definitely do the job- it's just that I like not having gaskets below fuel level in carb, and the ease of tunability of the Edelbrock/Carter's.
Just MY opinion.
Your other option would be one of the new bolt-on FI units that are now coming to market. They truly are just bolt-on and go, as they self-tune. Again, cost is the consideration there as well.
Whatever you do, buy one of the either Carter or Holley tuning books that are readily available out there(depending on which carb you buy), read it, and proceed accordingly.
Enjoy!
CC.
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Re: Which Street Carb. for 440 Stick Car??
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09/06/12 06:47 AM
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I want a hassle free, no nonsense, bolt it on, fine tune it and go carb.
No such thing. Period. Most carb problems on this board are from people who think like this. A carb can't jump out of a box and know what your engine wants. You can't just throw a carb on, play with the idle screws and expect it to be done. They sell tuning kits for a reason. Jets, rods, power valves, accelerator pump cams and nozzles, secondary springs, etc.
Technically true- the only exception I have ever used was a Predator PX6000- this is a variable venturi carb that basically tunes itself. The X version had an idle circuit. You could change a set of cams though to richen/lean the mixture- but this was an across the board set change, not a specific change. They can be found still but they are $$$, and strangely enough very tall. I had hood clearance issues with it....Hell of a carb though.....
Now- that being said-
I agree totally. On a standard Holley or Carter/Edelbrock- Yes- every engine is different and the carb must be tuned for that engine.
Despite what Holley advertises as a 'Bolt-it-on-and-go' Street Avenger series I believe they call it- you will have to do some tuning.
To answer the question - I'd use a Edelbrock AVS series, and I'd start with what would have been the standard needle/jetting for a typical 440 of that time and work from there. Yes- you will need a tuning kit with different needles/jets and springs. A good selection of pump squirters isn't a bad idea either, even though you can drill out the one's you have if need be. But the factory 440 tune is a good starting point- but ONLY a starting point.
It's not that I don't like the Holley- yes a 950HP would definitely do the job- it's just that I like not having gaskets below fuel level in carb, and the ease of tunability of the Edelbrock/Carter's.
Just MY opinion.
Your other option would be one of the new bolt-on FI units that are now coming to market. They truly are just bolt-on and go, as they self-tune. Again, cost is the consideration there as well.
Whatever you do, buy one of the either Carter or Holley tuning books that are readily available out there(depending on which carb you buy), read it, and proceed accordingly.
Enjoy!
CC.
 Every Eddy carb I've had (for the exception of one 750) including the two that are on my 440 now, have been maintenance free and very reliable. One 600 I installed on my 'Vette was near perfect A/F ratio out of the box. The only thing I had to do was adjust the idle. That was it.
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Re: Which Street Carb. for 440 Stick Car??
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As said before, depends on the combo you have: Stock iron heads, low to medium compression, dual plane intake, Magnum cam to "3/4" cam (moderate lift), 750 vac/ 800 TQ for auto. 750 DP - 850 DP for stick jobs. "Six Pack" setup is an option. Aluminum heads or pocket ported iron heads, performance intake (RPM or small SP), headers, "hot" hydro cam or small duration hi-lift solid cam with higher compression built into motor. 850 vac or DP for autos w/gear and converter. Can run "Six Pack" setup if motor is tuned right. 950 HP for stick jobs, or HIGHER stall converter autos. "All Out"/"Limited Street" or "Stroker RB" - 950HP or higher cfm carb (read: Dominator or Cross-ram territory) needed to feed high-flowing heads with big solids or "moderate" to big lift rollers. Just a very general guide, actual cfm carb needed depends on displacement and rpm (effective) limit of motor.  
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Re: Which Street Carb. for 440 Stick Car??
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Need to buy a carb. for a 1971 440, stick car with a purple stripe. I want a hassle free, no nonsense, bolt it on, fine tune it and go carb. for a cruise & daily driver type situation.
What are your recommendations?? I'm thinking maybe an Edelbrock with an electric choke??
Thanks in advance!!
You don't want an ebrock if you want HASSLE FREE ... if the latest trend of forum questions is an indicator ...
Holley 3310 750cfm
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Re: Which Street Carb. for 440 Stick Car??
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09/06/12 08:11 PM
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Need to buy a carb. for a 1971 440, stick car with a purple stripe. I want a hassle free, no nonsense, bolt it on, fine tune it and go carb. for a cruise & daily driver type situation.
What are your recommendations?? I'm thinking maybe an Edelbrock with an electric choke??
Thanks in advance!!
You don't want an ebrock if you want HASSLE FREE ... if the latest trend of forum questions is an indicator ...
Holley 3310 750cfm
Perfect setup for a street motor. Make sure and get the throttle extension lever (part # 20-7) for the correct geometry and you're all set.
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Re: Which Street Carb. for 440 Stick Car??
[Re: RSNOMO]
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09/06/12 10:24 PM
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The engine set up is very basic....71 B-body, 440, 4-speed, all stock except cam, (purple stripe 284, 484), iron heads, all stock. Basically what I meant by hassle free, bolt it on, fine tune and go is....short of using the stock factory carb. for this motor, there are so many carbs. out today that are for a variety of uses that it seems like there to many options.
Also, what I meant as far as hassle free......maybe I should have said "least amount of trouble" for a start and go situation. I'm asking this only because all of these new carb. options available today, I'm sure there have been positive and negative experiences with these "brand new" carbs. and am looking for the best option.
A couple of friends of mine are using the Edelbrock's for pleasure use and this car would see more than pleasure use.
Thanks!!!
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Re: Which Street Carb. for 440 Stick Car??
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09/07/12 09:10 AM
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The engine set up is very basic....71 B-body, 440, 4-speed, all stock except cam, (purple stripe 284, 484), iron heads, all stock. Basically what I meant by hassle free, bolt it on, fine tune and go is....short of using the stock factory carb. for this motor, there are so many carbs. out today that are for a variety of uses that it seems like there to many options.
Also, what I meant as far as hassle free......maybe I should have said "least amount of trouble" for a start and go situation. I'm asking this only because all of these new carb. options available today, I'm sure there have been positive and negative experiences with these "brand new" carbs. and am looking for the best option.
A couple of friends of mine are using the Edelbrock's for pleasure use and this car would see more than pleasure use.
Thanks!!!
by stock build if you are sayig you are using a stock intake and stock mani's and used stock replacment pistons, you might want to swap out that cam. I don't think you will be very happy with it. What cars are you friends running E's on? a 440 is a different animal than a SBF or Chevy. If you try and use the 750 Eddy carb and that 484 cam you will be pulling your hair out.
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Re: Which Street Carb. for 440 Stick Car??
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09/07/12 10:14 AM
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There are several individuals that run in Pure Stock that do rather well with Carter's...
Yes there are but there is just something about the ebrocks.
OP stay away from the PREFORMER 750 , you are asking for trouble , if you can find an old carter comp 750 go with that.
I have one that is a Mopar specific carb that doesn't need the throttle lever adaptor , oddly though the fuel inlet was on the WRONG side of the carb ??? I ended up buying a top from carter , but it's like the thunder series tops with a fuel inlet on both sides , I'm going to swap an ebrock performer series top onto it at some point .
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Re: Which Street Carb. for 440 Stick Car??
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There are several individuals that run in Pure Stock that do rather well with Carter's...
Yes there are but there is just something about the ebrocks.
OP stay away from the PREFORMER 750 , you are asking for trouble , if you can find an old carter comp 750 go with that.
I have one that is a Mopar specific carb that doesn't need the throttle lever adaptor , oddly though the fuel inlet was on the
WRONG side of the carb ??? I ended up buying a top from carter , but it's like the thunder series tops with a fuel inlet on both sides , I'm going to swap an ebrock performer series top onto it at some point .
Dwayne Porter did a carb test and the 750 edelbrock always put out he lowest hp rating. The edelbrock 750 just doesnt put out power like other carbs. 
56 Plaza 63 D100 step side 67 Coronet, 68 Roadrunner, 69 Super Bees, 69 Coronet 500 convertible, 70 Roadrunner Post, 79 D150 360, and a severe case of Mopar a,d,d
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