Hemi 4 speed in an A body
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Thinking about my dart here...I was told the 4 speed/headers combo in an A body is harder to work with than an auto. Any truth to this? I would've thought it to be easier but maybe the linkage is an issue?? What say the wise hemi Abody crowd?
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Re: Hemi 4 speed in an A body
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Thinking about my dart here...I was told the 4 speed/headers combo in an A body is harder to work with than an auto. Any truth to this? I would've thought it to be easier but maybe the linkage is an issue?? What say the wise hemi Abody crowd?
The new TTI hemi headers now fit 4 speed cars. TTI may have pics of them installed on thier chassis mock up or customers car.
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Re: Hemi 4 speed in an A body
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Thinking about my dart here...I was told the 4 speed/headers combo in an A body is harder to work with than an auto. Any truth to this? I would've thought it to be easier but maybe the linkage is an issue?? What say the wise hemi Abody crowd?
Anything you could possibly do service wise on a 4 spd is not an issue with headers whatsoever. The z bar clears fine and unless you are running a Lakewood bell, you can remove the clutch without even removing the bell housing.. Even the Lakewood bell clears the headers unless you are running a hemi, then you have to trim it a bit, but not so bad...That was with a Schumacher mount kit..
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Thinking about my dart here...I was told the 4 speed/headers combo in an A body is harder to work with than an auto. Any truth to this? I would've thought it to be easier but maybe the linkage is an issue?? What say the wise hemi Abody crowd?
Anything you could possibly do service wise on a 4 spd is not an issue with headers whatsoever. The z bar clears fine and unless you are running a Lakewood bell, you can remove the clutch without even removing the bell housing.. Even the Lakewood bell clears the headers unless you are running a hemi, then you have to trim it a bit, but not so bad...That was with a Schumacher mount kit..
MB
Was this with the TTI Hemi A-body headers?
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Thanks guys! I was planning on running TTI headers but didn't know there were fitment issues. Maybe that's why I was told what I was. Any pics of the differences? The last thing I want to do is modify brand new headers that are suppossed to fit the application.
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No. Since in still in the planning stages for the dart I thought I'd ask here first. The info I got was from a real LO23 owner but if TTI has recently changed some pipe routes it would make sense that he didn't know.
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Re: Hemi 4 speed in an A body
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No. Since in still in the planning stages for the dart I thought I'd ask here first. The info I got was from a real LO23 owner but if TTI has recently changed some pipe routes it would make sense that he didn't know.
The TTI Hemi A-body with stock K-member headers have only been out a year or so.
Are you using a stock K-member or Alkerkion?
That LO23 has original Hooker headers they don't make any more or custom hand built headers for that car ($$$). So that doesn't do you any good.
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Re: Hemi 4 speed in an A body
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TTI lists a modified Z bar or hydraulic linkage needed. 10.5 or 11in bell housing. There are 2 versions, one for OEM suspension and one for tube front end. No other real life issues? This is strictly a beforehand type question.
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"The TTI Hemi A-body with stock K-member headers have only been out a year or so."
THATs what I didn't know. Thanks! 
Are you doing yours with stock K-member or coil over Alterkation type?
I've got a bunch of picture with stock K-member and automatic (Troy's car).
But I don't have pics of stock K-member and 4 speed. But TTI might have pictures of that in thier mock up front end. I think they have sold them to 4 speed customers. But that doesn't mean those customers have installed them yet.
True! Mine will be a stock k member with torsion bars. Very retro. Im still undecided if im going to ceramic coat these TTIs. Only "new" items will be an electric pump with sump in the stock tank, calvert shocks and springs, and willwood front discs. Past that, I'm using a stock water pump, rad, carbs, correct crossram intake, etc. I even have a vintage super sun cable driven tach and gold leaf for my letters for the cars name. Stil on the hunt for the correct shifter and handles tho.
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Re: Hemi 4 speed in an A body
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"The TTI Hemi A-body with stock K-member headers have only been out a year or so."
THATs what I didn't know. Thanks!
Are you doing yours with stock K-member or coil over Alterkation type?
I've got a bunch of picture with stock K-member and automatic (Troy's car).
But I don't have pics of stock K-member and 4 speed. But TTI might have pictures of that in thier mock up front end. I think they have sold them to 4 speed customers. But that doesn't mean those customers have installed them yet.
True! Mine will be a stock k member with torsion bars. Very retro. Im still undecided if im going to ceramic coat these TTIs. Only "new" items will be an electric pump with sump in the stock tank, calvert shocks and springs, and willwood front discs. Past that, I'm using a stock water pump, rad, carbs, correct crossram intake, etc. I even have a vintage super sun cable driven tach and gold leaf for my letters for the cars name. Stil on the hunt for the correct shifter and handles tho.
Original hemi headers were white or black, IIRC. TTI can have them coated those colors special order.
Troy just runs a stock HV manual fuel pump. He had to run a regulator because it would over power the needle and seats on those repro carbs and flood on long deceleration.
Here's walk through on Troy's Hemi Dart: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TDUcTidxlpg
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I have a factory Hemi Dart and am using original Hooker headers, mine is a 4-speed. You should buy a copy of Jim Schild's book on Hemi Darts. The bracket for the ball stud on the bellhousing was changed to make it work with the Hemi Steel bellhousing. It makes a HUGE difference what bellhousing you use. 
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Re: Hemi 4 speed in an A body
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I have a factory Hemi Dart and am using original Hooker headers, mine is a 4-speed. You should buy a copy of Jim Schild's book on Hemi Darts. The bracket for the ball stud on the bellhousing was changed to make it work with the Hemi Steel bellhousing. It makes a HUGE difference what bellhousing you use.
Rhino....I have that book. It says the ball stud on the torque shaft support bracket was moved. Is there a way to move the torque shaft mount on the body to compensate rather than track down a rare 68 SS piece? After all, I'm starting with an original column auto car. Or does someone repo the modified shaft support bracket? Also, what bellhousing do you suggest then? I'm aiming for a 700hp, N/A, all cast hemi.
As far as the headers go, I like the idea of of TTIs better than vintage hookers for performance and eye appeal. I think I will have them coated in a satin black thermal coating to look original but uses the larger TTIs.
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