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Re: Spark Advance Curve [Re: bronco9588] #1289571
08/23/12 12:40 AM
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It should still read the same on the strap





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I just run a basic 10+ year old 6-A MSD not even a rev limiter because of the reasons you started the post. Definately not a plug n play deal.........good luck.




The 6AL-2 Programmable is entirely a different beast than the other 6 boxes.


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Re: Spark Advance Curve [Re: bronco9588] #1289572
08/23/12 12:49 AM
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It should still read the same on the strap





Not really familiar with "strap"

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I just run a basic 10+ year old 6-A MSD not even a rev limiter because of the reasons you started the post. Definately not a plug n play deal.........good luck.




The 6AL-2 Programmable is entirely a different beast than the other 6 boxes.




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Re: Spark Advance Curve [Re: bronco9588] #1289573
08/23/12 01:53 PM
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I'm sure that 50 year old tech isn't above your head but I am admitting it is mine.


Not very helpfull, as we already know that.







50 year old tech should not be over your head to be asking the questions that you are asking. You need to have a basic understanding and then the rest ( including answers to your questions ) will come much easier. Weather you are dealing with a mechanical 50 year old ignition system or a sophisticated fulley electronic computor controlled system,the end results will be close to the same as far as spark advance is concerned - during specific situations ( Idle, cruise, WOT, etc. ) The latter should be able to do it with mich more precision of course.


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Re: Spark Advance Curve [Re: Crizila] #1289574
08/24/12 01:25 PM
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Here's a "no 'tude" response to the OP's post:
- A stock 400 is low compression and may tolerate up to about 20 degrees initial timing, but verifying the hot-start behavior will be important to determine how much it'll accept and still start w/o hard cranking
- Total timing considering the low compression and open chamber design is probably limited to somewhere in the 34-36 degree range; California-spec pump fuel is an even lower octane than most of the country (my local pump swill is 93-octane w/ 10% ethanol blended) and that'll probably cap the max advance at 32-34
- Depending upon gearing & converter stall speed, the advance curve should probably start around 1200-1400 RPM and reach full advance out about 3000 RPM
- Vacuum advance should be limited to 8-10 degrees to play it safe; one responder above suggested as much as 16 degrees, but that much will likely cause pre-ignition issues under high-vacuum cruise conditions
- Carb & ignition tuning are tightly related, especially since big changes in the initial timing curve can result in significant idle speed changes and require associated mixture adjustments

The programmable box is a cool unit, but it seems like major overkill for the current application.

Re: Spark Advance Curve [Re: BradH] #1289575
08/25/12 12:24 AM
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Here's a "no 'tude" response to the OP's post:
- A stock 400 is low compression and may tolerate up to about 20 degrees initial timing, but verifying the hot-start behavior will be important to determine how much it'll accept and still start w/o hard cranking
- Total timing considering the low compression and open chamber design is probably limited to somewhere in the 34-36 degree range; California-spec pump fuel is an even lower octane than most of the country (my local pump swill is 93-octane w/ 10% ethanol blended) and that'll probably cap the max advance at 32-34
- Depending upon gearing & converter stall speed, the advance curve should probably start around 1200-1400 RPM and reach full advance out about 3000 RPM
- Vacuum advance should be limited to 8-10 degrees to play it safe; one responder above suggested as much as 16 degrees, but that much will likely cause pre-ignition issues under high-vacuum cruise conditions
- Carb & ignition tuning are tightly related, especially since big changes in the initial timing curve can result in significant idle speed changes and require associated mixture adjustments

The programmable box is a cool unit, but it seems like major overkill for the current application.


I suggested a vacuum advance of 16 degrees. I also suggested an initial of 12, not 20 degrees. I ran my suggested numbers in a low compression 400 in a 78 Newyorker ( a real heavyweight ) with no problems. Honestly, you have a lot of latitude with that motor, no matter what gas you use. Ran my Newyorker back and fourth from the midwest to the coast several times on regular. No problems.

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Re: Spark Advance Curve [Re: Crizila] #1289576
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and why would you want to run anything close to 20 degrees initial - unless he is running a very big cam and has vacuum issues. With that much initial ( even if the engine could tolorate it )you are just asking for hot start problems.


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Re: Spark Advance Curve [Re: Crizila] #1289577
08/25/12 01:46 AM
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and why would you want to run anything close to 20 degrees initial - unless he is running a very big cam and has vacuum issues. With that much initial ( even if the engine could tolorate it )you are just asking for hot start problems.


16 to 18 degrees initial no problems on my low compression pump gas motor, it doesn't like 20 degrees initial, especially when hot


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