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Re: 727 won't kickdown into passing gear..adjustment help.. [Re: John_Kunkel] #1288093
09/07/12 08:05 PM
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Be sure that WOT at the pedal is WOT under the hood; a misadjusted throttle cable will prevent the carb from going wide open.

Have somebody sit in the car and mat the pedal then see if you can push the carb/linkage back some more.




That was the 1st thing I checked John. WOT in car (floored) is also WOT throttle on carb

Re: 727 won't kickdown into passing gear..adjustment help.. [Re: moparrulzzz] #1288094
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Be sure that WOT at the pedal is WOT under the hood; a misadjusted throttle cable will prevent the carb from going wide open.

Have somebody sit in the car and mat the pedal then see if you can push the carb/linkage back some more.




That was the 1st thing I checked John. WOT in car (floored) is also WOT throttle on carb




Just reverified WOT when put to the mat. Can anyone advise me if I should drive it or not??

Re: 727 won't kickdown into passing gear..adjustment help.. [Re: moparrulzzz] #1288095
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Be sure that WOT at the pedal is WOT under the hood; a misadjusted throttle cable will prevent the carb from going wide open.

Have somebody sit in the car and mat the pedal then see if you can push the carb/linkage back some more.




That was the 1st thing I checked John. WOT in car (floored) is also WOT throttle on carb




Just reverified WOT when put to the mat. Can anyone advise me if I should drive it or not??




I had no problems driving mine when it was not down shifting by the throttle pedal for over a year, just used the lever and pulled it into 2nd or low when I needed it to downshift. Now that I'm thinking about it with the original governor it would downshift even with the lever if I was above a certain rpm or speed but would with the higher shift point "Hemi" governor hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm but no problems driving it like that from my experience. (you can change the governor with the trans in the car btw)

Re: 727 won't kickdown into passing gear..adjustment help.. [Re: moparrulzzz] #1288096
09/08/12 01:49 PM
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Just reverified WOT when put to the mat. Can anyone advise me if I should drive it or not??




You're not going to hurt the trans.

One more thing to check, disconnect the linkage from the top lever on the trans and operate the lever by hand...pull the lever firmly against the forward stop and make sure it has a nice firm stop then push it to the rear firmly against its stop and see if both directions have a nice firm stop.

In some rare cases the weld that holds the throttle lever shaft to the cam will break and allow the shaft to spin in the cam.

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Re: 727 won't kickdown into passing gear....update... [Re: moparrulzzz] #1288097
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Your 727 probably doesn't have the part throttle kickdown assy attached to the valvebody. The part throttle kickdown first appeared on the big block 727 trannys early to mid 70's. Check out this link:

https://board.moparts.org/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=708715&an=0&page=16

Re: 727 won't kickdown into passing gear..adjustment help.. [Re: John_Kunkel] #1288098
09/09/12 01:35 PM
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Just reverified WOT when put to the mat. Can anyone advise me if I should drive it or not??




You're not going to hurt the trans.

One more thing to check, disconnect the linkage from the top lever on the trans and operate the lever by hand...pull the lever firmly against the forward stop and make sure it has a nice firm stop then push it to the rear firmly against its stop and see if both directions have a nice firm stop.

In some rare cases the weld that holds the throttle lever shaft to the cam will break and allow the shaft to spin in the cam.




Nice and firm stop both directions

Re: 727 won't kickdown into passing gear....update... [Re: ChargerCrazed] #1288099
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Your 727 probably doesn't have the part throttle kickdown assy attached to the valvebody. The part throttle kickdown first appeared on the big block 727 trannys early to mid 70's. Check out this link:

https://board.moparts.org/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=708715&an=0&page=16




I will look into this, my tranny is of circa '67

Re: 727 won't kickdown into passing gear....update... [Re: moparrulzzz] #1288100
09/09/12 05:58 PM
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PTK has nothing to do with WOT kickdown.


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Re: 727 won't kickdown into passing gear....update... [Re: John_Kunkel] #1288101
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PTK has everything to do with the OP's problem. Read his first sentence:

On my '68 Dodge 440/727 I adjusted the passing gear linkage per the FSM twice, and at about 35-40 MPH I floor the car and it will not kick down into 2nd.

Without the PTK, his 727 with never kickdown to 2nd gear.

Re: 727 won't kickdown into passing gear....update... [Re: ChargerCrazed] #1288102
09/10/12 03:26 PM
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Nonsense, EVERY correctly operating Torqueflite (including the old iron ones) will kick down to 2nd at WOT. The reason it's called "part" throttle kickdown is because those transmissions equipped with it will kick down at less than WOT (part throttle).


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