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no st box brace OR motor mount-will i die? #1287196 08/18/12 02:59 AM 08/18/12 02:59 AM
Joined: Mar 2012 Posts: 168 Washington State, USA W Winchester 73 OP member
Winchester 73 OP member W Joined: Mar 2012 Posts: 168 Washington State, USA	no brace on steering box on my dart and it has elephant ears for motor mounts.i hear all you guys talking about steering mounts flexing and such but most of you guys probly have a 600 lb chunk of iorn pressed against your steering box and i dont so will i die?and my next question is wouldent solid motor mounts make steering better on some of your cars?

Re: no st box brace OR motor mount-will i die? [Re: Winchester 73] #1287197 08/18/12 09:14 AM 08/18/12 09:14 AM
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ahy master A Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 7,664 IN	The steering box brace and/or gusseted K frame makes the steering more precise... especially with larger tires and heavy cornering. It can also prevent long term cracking of the K. Still, I would consider it more a performance improvement than a safety improvement. Is your car a drag car or converted drag car?

Re: no st box brace OR motor mount-will i die? [Re: Winchester 73] #1287198 08/18/12 12:20 PM 08/18/12 12:20 PM
Joined: Sep 2003 Posts: 1,688 Marlboro, NY, USA R Rick_Ehrenberg top fuel
Rick_Ehrenberg top fuel R Joined: Sep 2003 Posts: 1,688 Marlboro, NY, USA	Quote: no brace on steering box on my dart and it has elephant ears for motor mounts.i hear all you guys talking about steering mounts flexing and such but most of you guys probly have a 600 lb chunk of iorn pressed against your steering box and i dont so will i die?and my next question is wouldent solid motor mounts make steering better on some of your cars? Interesting concept: Solid engine mounts reinforcing the K-member. Worth some investigating! I know that when XV was engineering their stuff, they learned the the engine on rubber mounts actually made ride quality worse -- the engine would continue to bounce some after the car hit a bump. Rick

Re: no st box brace OR motor mount-will i die? [Re: Rick_Ehrenberg] #1287199 08/18/12 03:51 PM 08/18/12 03:51 PM
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feets Senior Management Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 28,068 Irving, TX	It would probably take a little bit of triangulation to really steady the engine in the chassis. 3/8" plate steel will only do so much when it comes to stopping a heavy chunk of iron from wobbling around. The rubber trans mount will allow plenty of slop. We are brothers and sisters doing time on the planet for better or worse. I'll take the better, if you don't mind. - Stu Harmon

Re: no st box brace OR motor mount-will i die? [Re: Winchester 73] #1287200 08/18/12 07:05 PM 08/18/12 07:05 PM
Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 22,696 Bitopia J jcc If you can't dazzle em with diamonds..
jcc If you can't dazzle em with diamonds.. J Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 22,696 Bitopia	Play the lottery and.be sure your will is up to date. Making the motor a partially stressed chassis component might have a few positives, but since it was not intended nor designed for the various forces different builders might conjur up in mointing schemes, i can't see the upside worth the risk. Reality check, that half the population is smarter then 50% of the people and it's a constantly contested fact.

Re: no st box brace OR motor mount-will i die? [Re: Rick_Ehrenberg] #1287201 08/19/12 11:46 PM 08/19/12 11:46 PM
Joined: Mar 2012 Posts: 168 Washington State, USA W Winchester 73 OP member
Winchester 73 OP member W Joined: Mar 2012 Posts: 168 Washington State, USA	Quote: Quote: no brace on steering box on my dart and it has elephant ears for motor mounts.i hear all you guys talking about steering mounts flexing and such but most of you guys probly have a 600 lb chunk of iorn pressed against your steering box and i dont so will i die?and my next question is wouldent solid motor mounts make steering better on some of your cars? Interesting concept: Solid engine mounts reinforcing the K-member. Worth some investigating! i had a 440 in a street duster mounted with an eng plate and it shook at idle(cool )but it did always seem to me to ride great . meybe the motor bouncing up and down on the rubber biscuits is whats failing k frames? engines glued into the engine bay like mother mopar did is the type of thing i wish chevy did so i could make fun of it! I know that when XV was engineering their stuff, they learned the the engine on rubber mounts actually made ride quality worse -- the engine would continue to bounce some after the car hit a bump. Rick

Re: no st box brace OR motor mount-will i die? [Re: Winchester 73] #1287202 08/20/12 12:29 AM 08/20/12 12:29 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 27,471 So Cal autoxcuda Too Many Posts
autoxcuda Too Many Posts Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 27,471 So Cal	Quote: i had a 440 in a street duster mounted with an eng plate and it shook at idle(cool )but it did always seem to me to ride great . meybe the motor bouncing up and down on the rubber biscuits is whats failing k frames? Show me all of these FAILED K-members. Most are from mistreatment or external things like rust. I have broke a K-member. Just the LCA mount welds. It was 125% my fault. I overloaded the car way way beyond is GVWR, lowered the car, and didn't run bumpstop bushings. Quote: meybe the motor bouncing up and down on the rubber biscuits is whats failing k frames? engines glued into the engine bay like mother mopar did is the type of thing i wish chevy did so i could make fun of it! ?? And Chevy's don't have rubber motor mounts?? They've got the same thing.

Re: no st box brace OR motor mount-will i die? [Re: autoxcuda] #1287203 08/20/12 05:02 PM 08/20/12 05:02 PM
Joined: Mar 2012 Posts: 168 Washington State, USA W Winchester 73 OP member
Winchester 73 OP member W Joined: Mar 2012 Posts: 168 Washington State, USA	Quote: Quote: i had a 440 in a street duster mounted with an eng plate and it shook at idle(cool )but it did always seem to me to ride great . meybe the motor bouncing up and down on the rubber biscuits is whats failing k frames? Show me all of these FAILED K-members. Most are from mistreatment or external things like rust. I have broke a K-member. Just the LCA mount welds. It was 125% my fault. I overloaded the car way way beyond is GVWR, lowered the car, and didn't run bumpstop bushings. Quote: meybe the motor bouncing up and down on the rubber biscuits is whats failing k frames? engines glued into the engine bay like mother mopar did is the type of thing i wish chevy did so i could make fun of it! ?? And Chevy's don't have rubber motor mounts?? They've got the same thing. http://www.bobschevelleparts.com/images/T/160293.jpg heres a link to some 69/70 chevy mounts.notice the hooks of metal on the bottoms.junkyard guys no you dont have to remove motor mounts on a mopar to pull the engine-cut exaust and lift!not so with chevy or ford all the way back to the 40S

Re: no st box brace OR motor mount-will i die? [Re: Winchester 73] #1287204 08/21/12 03:07 AM 08/21/12 03:07 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 27,471 So Cal autoxcuda Too Many Posts
autoxcuda Too Many Posts Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 27,471 So Cal	Quote: Quote: Quote: i had a 440 in a street duster mounted with an eng plate and it shook at idle(cool )but it did always seem to me to ride great . meybe the motor bouncing up and down on the rubber biscuits is whats failing k frames? Show me all of these FAILED K-members. Most are from mistreatment or external things like rust. I have broke a K-member. Just the LCA mount welds. It was 125% my fault. I overloaded the car way way beyond is GVWR, lowered the car, and didn't run bumpstop bushings. Quote: meybe the motor bouncing up and down on the rubber biscuits is whats failing k frames? engines glued into the engine bay like mother mopar did is the type of thing i wish chevy did so i could make fun of it! ?? And Chevy's don't have rubber motor mounts?? They've got the same thing. http://www.bobschevelleparts.com/images/T/160293.jpg heres a link to some 69/70 chevy mounts.notice the hooks of metal on the bottoms.junkyard guys no you dont have to remove motor mounts on a mopar to pull the engine-cut exaust and lift!not so with chevy or ford all the way back to the 40S Not on a 73-76 A-body or 72 up B-body. What about the mid sixes Nova that motor mounts would break and the car would accelerate forward? GM had to put straps to tie down the motors. The A-body GM mounts have a fail safe interlock. That just takes over after the rest of the mount has completely failed.

Re: no st box brace OR motor mount-will i die? [Re: autoxcuda] #1287205 08/21/12 09:55 PM 08/21/12 09:55 PM
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PHJ426 master P Joined: Nov 2005 Posts: 3,456 Fly Over States	Easy answer, you were born you will die eventually. Will you die because of the steering box not being braced or motor mount...I doubt it. In my younger years I even hacked up the K member more than it is from the factory and whacked some of the steering box mount and the 440 was mounted with elephant ears. I drove the car on the street and I am typing this today. Car was on them skinny front runners and some large slicks and it had no problem driving on the street in the rain with no wipers either. Granted I do things differently 20 years later....

Re: no st box brace OR motor mount-will i die? [Re: PHJ426] #1287206 08/21/12 11:38 PM 08/21/12 11:38 PM
Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 22,696 Bitopia J jcc If you can't dazzle em with diamonds..
jcc If you can't dazzle em with diamonds.. J Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 22,696 Bitopia	Quote: I drove the car on the street and I am typing this today. Car was on them skinny front runners and some large slicks and it had no problem driving on the street in the rain with no wipers either. Granted I do things differently 20 years later.... You now type with 2 fingers? Reality check, that half the population is smarter then 50% of the people and it's a constantly contested fact.

Re: no st box brace OR motor mount-will i die? [Re: jcc] #1287207 08/24/12 07:55 PM 08/24/12 07:55 PM
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PHJ426 master P Joined: Nov 2005 Posts: 3,456 Fly Over States	@jcc - I suppose my typing skills have improved with the years. There are many things we all have learned and do better than we did 20, 30, 40 years ago.

Re: no st box brace OR motor mount-will i die? [Re: PHJ426] #1287208 08/24/12 09:37 PM 08/24/12 09:37 PM
Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 22,696 Bitopia J jcc If you can't dazzle em with diamonds..
jcc If you can't dazzle em with diamonds.. J Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 22,696 Bitopia	In the passing years, my forte seems to be inane sophomoric quips, or so they tell me. Reality check, that half the population is smarter then 50% of the people and it's a constantly contested fact.

Re: no st box brace OR motor mount-will i die? [Re: jcc] #1287209 08/24/12 10:54 PM 08/24/12 10:54 PM
Joined: Nov 2005 Posts: 3,456 Fly Over States P PHJ426 master
PHJ426 master P Joined: Nov 2005 Posts: 3,456 Fly Over States	Quote: In the passing years, my forte seems to be inane sophomoric quips, or so they tell me. Nothing wrong with that.

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