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Re: Another Whats the HP [Re: MR_P_BODY] #1284939
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Mike..you have a LOT more patience than Me! I would have thrown tools everywhere,I'm sure! Just ANOTHER lousy bump in the road! With as many motors as you've put together without major problems...your number finally had to come up..unfortunately! Hope it's an "easy fix" that will be minimal cost-wise! Please call me on Friday...I want to be there when you disassemble the "little bastardo"!!! BTW...glad Lauren and yourself came out to Woodward tonight!

Re: Another Whats the HP [Re: Labratt] #1284940
08/16/12 06:24 AM
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Mike, I'm sorry to hear this. Hopefully it's nothing major.

Randy

Re: Another Whats the HP [Re: Dartin] #1284941
08/16/12 02:40 PM
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Dang mike... This just gos to show that sometimes no matter how much experiance and mopar wisdom ( n I beleive you have lots) you have. [Edited by Moparts - Family Friendly Site - Keep it clean] can still go wrong. : / ... Good luck with it budd.

Re: Another Whats the HP [Re: MR_P_BODY] #1284942
08/16/12 03:17 PM
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Well it didnt go well today... let it warm up and
all looked good... made a partial pull to 4500 and
it made 463 hp and 458ftlbs... it was fat so jetted
down 3 jets all around.. made another partial pull and
seen it was lean coming off idle so we pulled the PV
and plugged it, went up 7 jets, made a 5000 rpm pull
and it was down 50 ftlbs... let it stabilize and made
another pull going to 5000 and this time had to abort...
lost another 50 ftlbs... pulled the filter and cut
it open and seen alum partials... they were saying
it looked like bearing material so I pulled the pan
and a 4 rod caps and a main cap but they were fine....
after that I told them screw it, pull it off the dyno...
only thing I can think of is the cam bearings....I'm
so pissed right now I wanted to just do a WOT to see
what the problem was but that didnt happen... I'll
put it back on the stand



Really sorry to hear this Mike. I have patience issues so this stuff can really take us over the top till we take a step back and chill to evaluate the situaltion w/a clear non-angry mindstate. Works for me............sort of You`ll get it and when you do that thing will FLY...............


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Re: Another Whats the HP [Re: Thumperdart] #1284943
08/16/12 10:04 PM
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I feel for you Mike, have a drink or 4 tonite and try and put it out of your mind for a couple hours. Hopefully it's something minor, rocker arms? Don't give up, maybe walk away from it for a day or two. I've had a couple motors bust my azz for awhile, I KNOW you'll get it straightened out. Dave

Re: Another Whats the HP [Re: quickd100] #1284944
08/17/12 09:05 AM
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Sorry to hear about this, Mike. Hope it isn't serious
I am sure you will post results, and many will learn from it.


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Re: Another Whats the HP [Re: gregsdart] #1284945
08/17/12 09:26 AM
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Sorry to hear about this, Mike. Hope it isn't serious
I am sure you will post results, and many will learn from it.




Thanks guys... I'm thinking it has to be a rod bearing
but I didnt feel any bad... but to loose 100#tq
it has to be something at a distance from the C/L..
I'll pick it up this morning and get it on the stand

Re: Another Whats the HP [Re: MR_P_BODY] #1284946
08/17/12 04:06 PM
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The only thing I see is where some dirt/debris on
a couple of piston skirts scratched the bores..
2 have a pretty good scratch .... all the bearings
looked fine... so I still dont know where all this
alum partials came from

Re: Another Whats the HP [Re: MR_P_BODY] #1284947
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Did you check the bushing for the distributor?

Re: Another Whats the HP [Re: MR_P_BODY] #1284948
08/17/12 05:21 PM
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Check those pushrods Mike.


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Re: Another Whats the HP [Re: Guitar Jones] #1284949
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Take a good look @ the thrust bearing... It seems just a little ware puts a lot of material in the pan

Re: Another Whats the HP [Re: Guitar Jones] #1284950
08/17/12 06:17 PM
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Mike..what about the cam bearings? Hard to believe it wasn't one of the rods! All the main bearings were OK as well? Please let us know as soon as you find the "culprit"! Losing 100 ft. lbs....it has to be something that sticks out like a sore thumb! Keeping my fingers crossed!

Re: Another Whats the HP [Re: emarine01] #1284951
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Craig... after rod bearing guess,I was thinking maybe a straightness issue with the crank!??? But,in my case...it would just be a guess! I don't have that much experience with engine problems,first hand! I do read a LOT about engines,though!...and occasionally stay at Holiday Inns!

Re: Another Whats the HP [Re: Labratt] #1284952
08/17/12 10:18 PM
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Mike..what about the cam bearings? Hard to believe it wasn't one of the rods! All the main bearings were OK as well? Please let us know as soon as you find the "culprit"! Losing 100 ft. lbs....it has to be something that sticks out like a sore thumb! Keeping my fingers crossed!




I had Larry stop by to take a look at it... he said
the scuffed walls would eat the torque but he is
stumped as to where the material came from... cam
bearings looked fine, pushrods were fine, dist bushing
is fine... one of the main bearings has a line in
it that he said looked weird so he is gonna stop by
with his bore gauge to see if that one main is ok
but thats the only thing he sees but he has no idea
where the crap/alum came from... neither do I...
like someone went into the shop and dumped alum in it

Re: Another Whats the HP [Re: MR_P_BODY] #1284953
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I would now think it's the carb.

Power went down after messing with the carb..

Try a different one. You already washed the rings out with it once.

Maybe it did it again.

As far as the metal.. Maybe you just missed something in cleaning..

I've done that before.




Chris..

Re: Another Whats the HP [Re: Chris'sBarracuda] #1284954
08/17/12 10:57 PM
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I would now think it's the carb.

Power went down after messing with the carb..

Try a different one. You already washed the rings out with it once.

Maybe it did it again.

As far as the metal.. Maybe you just missed something in cleaning..

I've done that before.




Chris..




I washed that block 3 times before I assembled it

I can say that St. Clair treated me right when it
came to price when I picked up the engine.... IF
I ever get this thing right it'll go back there to
the dyno

Re: Another Whats the HP [Re: MR_P_BODY] #1284955
08/18/12 12:37 AM
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Mike,glad Larry took care of you! They are good people,for sure! Hard to believe you haven't found anything that stands out from the norm! Keep us informed if you find out anything!

Re: Another Whats the HP [Re: Labratt] #1284956
08/18/12 01:31 AM
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Mike,glad Larry took care of you! They are good people,for sure! Hard to believe you haven't found anything that stands out from the norm! Keep us informed if you find out anything!




Larry didnt have a clue where that alum came from and
I really dont know either.... it was in the pan and
the filter so it had to start from in the pan but it
was in the bearings also... so that would mean it
was in the oil gallies also or it got through the
filter(which I doubt).... I cleaned that block 3 times
before I started assembly so I dont know... looks
like I'll order up new main and rod bearings and do
a hone then clean it AGAIN and try 1 last time...
I think I'll pull the heads apart to check them real
close and clean them... thats all I can think of...
I have 2 more 340 blocks that are bored but I would
have to have either of them decked to my set up but
that will be my last resort.... still think I should
have done a WOT run.... that would have found the
problem

Re: Another Whats the HP [Re: MR_P_BODY] #1284957
08/18/12 08:43 AM
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Maybe the junk was in the filter when you spun it on, brand new out of the box, who knows, crazier things have happened.


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Re: Another Whats the HP [Re: Crazy68Dart] #1284958
08/18/12 08:58 AM
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Maybe the junk was in the filter when you spun it on, brand new out of the box, who knows, crazier things have happened.




Larry asked that same thing... was it a new filter..
yes it was... yeah anything can happen I guess

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