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I believe it was Stewpar (?) a member on here that has some info on the car. I think I remember it from a prior post. I could be wrong on the member but that rings a bell. From what I remember until the owner makes the car visible again I don't believe much info was or will be divulged on it besides the fact that it has been restored..

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I believe it was Stewpar (?) a member on here that has some info on the car. I think I remember it from a prior post. I could be wrong on the member but that rings a bell. From what I remember until the owner makes the car visible again I don't believe much info was or will be divulged on it besides the fact that it has been restored..

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You are correct sir, the car resides in Wisconsin. I haven't talked to the owner in a few years though. He pulled it out of the junk yard up in Canada many moons ago............

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I still find it amazing that every time this car comes up in a thread, nobody has a remotely current picture of it or any real info on its state of resto or lack there of. This car IS the rarest A12 car of any kind. Inquiring minds want to know !!!

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Somewhere i've got a photo of that car when it was new....met the original owner.I hauled that car from Ohio to Ontario behind my 74 Town and Country and it sat in my jy for a couple of years.It had 28,000 miles on it when it was written off.The only usable unibody parts were the rear rails,overaxle pan and rockers.Surprisingly enough the original hood (which was painted F6 when found) was near mint.WM21M9A271344.

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Somewhere i've got a photo of that car when it was new....met the original owner.I hauled that car from Ohio to Ontario behind my 74 Town and Country and it sat in my jy for a couple of years.It had 28,000 miles on it when it was written off.The only usable unibody parts were the rear rails,overaxle pan and rockers.Surprisingly enough the original hood (which was painted F6 when found) was near mint.WM21M9A271344.

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I "had" about a half dozen pictures of it on the rollback,if I can find them I'll post them,then you can see how bad it really was.If I remember correctly,it was around 1989/90.

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That Bee was never on a rollback....it came home on an open trailer behind my 74 T & C.I think Bill is getting the Bee mixed up with the 70 Road Runner we pulled out of the same yard on one of the earlier failed attempts to purchase the Mod Top.The Runner was a beat B5 hardtop 383 4 gear 3.91 car.No motor/trans,the rad (956) was with it as well as the 391's.We offered 1K on the Bee ....yard owner refused the offer but sold us the Runner for $400.Next trip we offered $1200 on the Bee -refused again so we bought a V code 70 Runner Coupe with the Hemi 4 gear in the trunk and the 410 Dana still under it.Car was complete with air grabber just no engine....the price $600.Those were the days lol.Heres a shot of the top on the Bee while it was in the yard...It's really faded.Every spring this yard flooded out..there was a mud line almost to the top of the dash.I have a VHS tape we made of the Bee ...need to get someone to digitize it and put it on You Tube.

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Nigel,at my age I even get my days mixed up !

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Bill post some pictures of the Runner if you have them that Furyman picked up. I am interested in how he strapped the car down. Always an adventure with Nigel and after seeing the way he transported his 68 Coronet Convertable to his new shop from the old shop in Canada and that was not a short drive, I am wondering if he topped that move.Pun intended Nigel. Even the Police wanted nothing to do with you that day.

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Nigel, you really got to put that whole story together along with the pics and the video. After you get it in a magazine, you could contribute it to the Registry. We'll make room for it.

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I was talking to Nigel about this car at Moparfest. It would be nice to see it surface. Also nice to see more pics and video.

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It's up here. My friend has a fall car show at his house every year, so I will see if anybody remembers Kevin's last name and whereabouts..........

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I was talking to Nigel about this car at Moparfest. It would be nice to see it surface. Also nice to see more pics and video.

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It's up here. My friend has a fall car show at his house every year, so I will see if anybody remembers Kevin's last name and whereabouts..........

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Cool I can understand if the would like to stay out of the spotlight but an update or even a pic would be grand.

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Hmm, toasted rare car goes to Canada? cough...rebody...cough

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Hmm, toasted rare car goes to Canada? cough...rebody...cough

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Did you read where it is back in the states? Somewhere in WI.

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Somewhere i've got a photo of that car when it was new....met the original owner.I hauled that car from Ohio to Ontario behind my 74 Town and Country and it sat in my jy for a couple of years.It had 28,000 miles on it when it was written off.The only usable unibody parts were the rear rails,overaxle pan and rockers.Surprisingly enough the original hood (which was painted F6 when found) was near mint.WM21M9A271344.

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I think this is a car that absolutely must be saved even if it's a rebody.
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????? If it's rebodied, it's not 'saved'.

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I think this is a car that absolutely must be saved even if it's a rebody.
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????? If it's rebodied, it's not 'saved'.

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However, given the rarity of the car, a rebody would be justified.
Assuming the fact was made known, nobody would object.

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We where going for a modtop on our car also, tried Ledgenary, so such luck. What we(my wife) did was go to a sign shop and have them scan the main pattern(of her own design) and repeat it to make 2 vinyl wrap sheets. Please remember, this is a custom, on her 70 RR, yes I know before all of you get sideways, this is a customized RR(ModTopBird). The best part is, it can be taken off with no side affects. But of course with your car, you would need the real deal!!!
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I think this is a car that absolutely must be saved even if it's a rebody.
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????? If it's rebodied, it's not 'saved'.

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????? if it's rebodied, it's not 'saved'




Sure it is - they were all the same sheetmetal when they came down the line. Sounds like this car needed all the metal replaced in order to resurrect it. What would you have with this car all patchwork-quilted with metal off other cars - besides $20,000 in labor to cut & weld everything? What - if you saved 2 original frame rails it would be considered original restored?

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I too would live to see any pictures and info on this car.

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OMG here we go again;

- if you swap all the parts onto another unibody but don't swap the body stamps or VIN, it's a clone.

- if you cut the numbers and weld them onto another unibody, it's a rebody not an original car.

- if you put a trunk floor and some quarter skins on to repair some rust it's a repair, not a rebody.

.....attempting to define a "rebody" as anywhere between those two last examples will generate a


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OMG here we go again;

- if you swap all the parts onto another unibody but don't swap the body stamps or VIN, it's a clone.

- if you cut the numbers and weld them onto another unibody, it's a rebody not an original car.

- if you put a trunk floor and some quarter skins on to repair some rust it's a repair, not a rebody.

.....attempting to define a "rebody" as anywhere between those two last examples will generate a


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OK wait. It's 1972 & your wife is driving the '70 Hemi Roadrunner to the grocery store & she gets in a wreck. The upper rail of the radiator support & the left rear quarter panel (among other things) need to be replaced. Car goes into the body shop & they replace sheetmetal with new stuff from Chrysler - nobody even knows or cares about the numbers stamped in these places, so nothing gets "transferred" in the process. Original bent sheetmetal with these numbers gets trashed by the body shop. Oops! Not a real Hemi Roadrunner anymore!

In my book, here's a re-creation or a made-from-nothing car: Guy buys a 1970 318 Challenger. He pulls the drivetrain & drops in a 440, adds the R/T hood, adds rear valence with cutouts, the proper torsion bars, springs, brakes, rally gauges, etc. Then he has fender tags made to match what he built, & maybe he even has the vin tag from a wrecked car on a dash pad & title. OK, this car was made from something that no longer existed so this car would not be "real" in my book. Does someone make dash vin tags? For any price? Well, you need a title to match that, so that would be tough. Currently, I have a title for a 1970 Challenger R/T from an Arizona wrecking yard from back in the 80's. What if I gave it to someone & they decided to make a car to match that tag? Now I know that car was junked a long time ago so if someone had the title & tags & they resurrected it, it would be a fake in my book.

This wrecked Mod Top car was still in existence (assuming all the content in this thread is true which I assume it is) so it is a REAL car, but in very bad shape. What do you do? Crush it? If you took the rubble to a place like Roger Gibson Restoration & said "RESTORE IT - PRICE DOES NOT MATTER" I guarantee someone would make it like new again. And it would be a REAL car, not a new creation. If they re-bodied the car, transferred the numbers so you couldn't tell, but told you they did not re-body it, how could you tell? Would this make it any less real?

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I actually agree with pretty much everything you said. The Hemi RR in your first example would remain a Hemi RR (I should have mentioned the VIN swap as a key rebody point) albeit one that takes a significant value hit 45 years later for not having the body numbers! However the non-disclosed rebody, wouldn't be a "real" car anymore IMO....at least not according to any definition that *I'm* comfortable with.

All I was really saying is that there will NEVER be any agreement on where the "restoration by rebody" line-in-the-sand resides. Personally, If you can use more than 50 percent of the original unibody, I would consider that the car may not be a rebody....others have wildly different definitions;....from "if you change a fender it's a rebody" all the way to "there is nothing wrong with welding in a 6" section of the body containing the stamp and using some new rivits to move the VIN over".

...even if you have a definition YOU can agree to yourself, you'll find a car that straddles that line.





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Now that we got that outta the way can we get back to regular programming and the Mod Top Bee?

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The Mod Top Bee has been in town for years with the same family. It's not an A12 car but it's one you would want to own .

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I too would live to see any pictures and info on this car.

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