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1970 GTX burnt orange interior oddity. #1275618
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I have a 1970 GTX with a burnt orange interior (P6K4) where everything is orange but the seats, armrests, headliner and visors which are white. Build date is 7/10/70

So, did it come this way from the factory or did a former owner swap everything over? The back seat does look like it has some original hog rings holding the skin on, fronts have clearly been redone. No build sheet.

I have seen one other 1970 GTX with the same combo, I'm waiting to hear back from the owner.

Oh, and does anyone know why a GTX would come with column shift? No Console!! It was a sales bank car but still seems odd.

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Is your interior code P6KW , if so that is Burnt orange and WHITE .

Column shift was standard , car could be optioned with a buddy seat or a console or nothing.

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Is your interior code P6KW , if so that is Burnt orange and WHITE .

Column shift was standard , car could be optioned with a buddy seat or a console or nothing.




Fender tag indicates P6K4, I'm waiting to hear back from the other GTX owner with same setup. Odds are when the car was redone in the past that they went with white due to the fact orange parts were not available like armrests. Its also possible that the factory ran out of orange stuff too, but I'd have to see some documentation before leaning that way.

On the column shift- Never seen a GTX without a console, hence my question. Looking over at http://www.hamtramck-historical.com the documents do indicate that console was extra, I guess who ever "spec'd" the car out for the sales bank didn't check off that option.

Edit- Heard back from Roger from the GTX registry, the car were discussing was built on the very last day of 1970 production and is 10th from the last car to roll off the line that has been documented.

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Sounds like someone swapped the seats and such as it should be all orange .

Sales bank just cranked out cars to have in inventory

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I have a 1970 GTX with a burnt orange interior (P6K4) where everything is orange but the seats, armrests, headliner and visors which are white. Build date is 7/10/70

So, did it come this way from the factory or did a former owner swap everything over? The back seat does look like it has some original hog rings holding the skin on, fronts have clearly been redone. No build sheet.

I have seen one other 1970 GTX with the same combo, I'm waiting to hear back from the owner.

Oh, and does anyone know why a GTX would come with column shift? No Console!! It was a sales bank car but still seems odd.

Gary




I used to have a P6K4 70 Roadrunner. Those parts were all burnt orange. Cool color. My exterior was burnt orange also.


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Re: 1970 GTX burnt orange interior oddity. [Re: JohnRR] #1275625
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Sounds like someone swapped the seats and such as it should be all orange .





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I dont like the color but I love the way the car is optioned with the deluxe wheel but no buddy seat or console.

How 'bout the black belts??? No burnt orange belts?

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Edit- Heard back from Roger from the GTX registry, the car were discussing was built on the very last day of 1970 production and is 10th from the last car to roll off the line that has been documented.





Cool car.

VIN sequence does not equal production sequence.

There is no way to know in what order cars 'rolled off the line'. All we know is there are at least nine more VINs that are higher than this car.


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Sounds like someone swapped the seats and such as it should be all orange .






One board member here has a 70 GTX with burnt orange interior with white seats as well. I'm waiting to hear back from him about the details.

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I dont like the color but I love the way the car is optioned with the deluxe wheel but no buddy seat or console.

How 'bout the black belts??? No burnt orange belts?




Dave, I assume these were the original belts. I don't rememeber if I ck'd the dates or not( customers car ) I remember it was kinda odd, but I did some ck'ing and I came up with several cars with the same combination.

ps. the 2 tone burnt orange with white interior was in fact avail in 1970 B-bodies
http://www.alangallantautomotiverestoration.com/DES-S-GTX.html

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ps. the 2 tone burnt orange with white interior was in fact avail in 1970 B-bodies
http://www.alangallantautomotiverestoration.com/DES-S-GTX.html




This would now be the third vehicle I have seen with this combo.

I'm inclined to think my car has the wrong color seats but then again why go to the trouble of changing some many other parts and leaving the rest? With such a late production date I'm going to do a lot more research before spending a few grand changing things "back" its very possible this is the way it left the plant back in 1970.

I'll take pics and post in a bit.

Oh and the seat belts? 26th week of 70 for the front, 27th week for the rear.

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How long have you owned the car ?

If this car has been re-done back in it's past . It's very likley it could have been done at that time. ( I would have )

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Headliner looks new, sunvisors dyed, what interior parts look to be original & are white?

WAG but it looks like a prior owner changed all the white parts from "burnt orange".

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& with the P6KW interior the door panels are also white. reproductions or original? Originals should have dates on the backside. Tag on rear seat will have a date.

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Headliner looks new, sunvisors dyed, what interior parts look to be original & are white?

WAG but it looks like a prior owner changed all the white parts from "burnt orange".




I know the history for the car going back 10 years when it was on the west coast, it has been unchanged since at least that long. I'm looking to find a prior owner from that point (2002) and researching further.

Armrests, visors and headliner are NOT re-dyed, I already checked. The rear seat looks like an original skin and hog rings but the fronts were redone for sure. The visors could be replacements, I have to pull them off and compare them to my other car.

I may "de-skin" the rear seat and look for anything printed on the backside. Doesn't take long and nothing to put it back.

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Here's a picture of my friends 70 GTX with the burnt orange/white interior.


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Here's a picture of my friends 70 GTX with the burnt orange/white interior.




That's gorgeous........


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ps. the 2 tone burnt orange with white interior was in fact avail in 1970 B-bodies
http://www.alangallantautomotiverestoration.com/DES-S-GTX.html




This would now be the third vehicle I have seen with this combo.

I'm inclined to think my car has the wrong color seats but then again why go to the trouble of changing some many other parts and leaving the rest? With such a late production date I'm going to do a lot more research before spending a few grand changing things "back" its very possible this is the way it left the plant back in 1970.

I'll take pics and post in a bit.

Oh and the seat belts? 26th week of 70 for the front, 27th week for the rear.




There is no fender tag pictured with the above link so who knows what is correct? Also it has an orange headliner where yours is white, without seeing the tag who knows what is and isn't correct in that one .

Gary have you seen the tag from your other example? Also yours looks wrong with orange door panels and white armrests.

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Is the headliner original to the car or has it been replaced? 40+ year old white headliners are rarely that "white". The sunvisors have been dyed/painted - the metal ends were originally chrome.

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Is the headliner original to the car or has it been replaced? 40+ year old white headliners are rarely that "white". The sunvisors have been dyed/painted - the metal ends were originally chrome.





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Here's a picture of my friends 70 GTX with the burnt orange/white interior.




That's gorgeous........




Im with you Troy....I love it!!! I think the simple wheel choice makes a huge difference in the cars apprearence.

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Is the headliner original to the car or has it been replaced? 40+ year old white headliners are rarely that "white". The sunvisors have been dyed/painted - the metal ends were originally chrome.




Looking close you are correct (sorry, I was in a hurry when I looked)

Peeling back the area around the stitching and seams shows... white.

The real question I'm trying to figure out is did the car come this way or was changed over time? If the car originally had a complete burnt orange interior then I'll change it back. Or did it come this way from the factory? Very possible considering it was the last day of production and a sales bank car to boot. As a former Chrysler line tech I have seen my share of assembly line goof ups.

I have pictures and contact info coming from 10 years ago, I'll keep digging. At some point the car got a decent paint job and minor body work so there is a shop somewhere that knows some of the cars history.

If only a build sheet was with the car!

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Is the headliner original to the car or has it been replaced? 40+ year old white headliners are rarely that "white". The sunvisors have been dyed/painted - the metal ends were originally chrome.




Looking close you are correct (sorry, I was in a hurry when I looked)

Peeling back the area around the stitching and seams shows... white.

The real question I'm trying to figure out is did the car come this way or was changed over time? If the car originally had a complete burnt orange interior then I'll change it back. Or did it come this way from the factory? Very possible considering it was the last day of production and a sales bank car to boot. As a former Chrysler line tech I have seen my share of assembly line goof ups.

I have pictures and contact info coming from 10 years ago, I'll keep digging. At some point the car got a decent paint job and minor body work so there is a shop somewhere that knows some of the cars history.

If only a build sheet was with the car!





Gary , there is a 13k mile RR in the WIW section that is on ebay with an ornage and white interior and it is not the same as yours , unless you have proof positive that the factory put that interior together completely different tan any other car with the same 2 tone interior it's been changed. it would be one thing if the car was coded for a 2 tone interior but it's not.

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Gary , there is a 13k mile RR in the WIW section that is on ebay with an ornage and white interior and it is not the same as yours




The car with original Flowmaster exhaust, chrome speakers in the doors and aftermarket springs?

I'm not claiming the car came original with whats in there, just trying to figure out whats right for this car. Short of a build sheet or pictures from when the car was delivered that's going to be tough.

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Gary , there is a 13k mile RR in the WIW section that is on ebay with an ornage and white interior and it is not the same as yours




The car with original Flowmaster exhaust, chrome speakers in the doors and aftermarket springs?

I'm not claiming the car came original with whats in there, just trying to figure out whats right for this car. Short of a build sheet or pictures from when the car was delivered that's going to be tough.




Yes , that car, that is what a factory white and burnt orange should look like, minus the speakers of course.

If your car were factory then someone must have been doing it to just use up parts that fell out of other cars going down the line ???

Was a white headliner even available in 1970 ? What about your visor , they have been dyed as Dan pointed out , the chromed clips are painted white .

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Was a white headliner even available in 1970 ? What about your visor , they have been dyed as Dan pointed out , the chromed clips are painted white .




1) The chart someone posted indicates white headliner was available.

2) I already pointed out that I peeled back the seams & stitching on the visors and they are white (which someone resprayed a different hue of white)

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P6K4 answers your question 100% .. i have the same int code [almost] H6K4 ... in my V code fury.. all orange! mines 100% original.. dan

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Was a white headliner even available in 1970 ? What about your visor , they have been dyed as Dan pointed out , the chromed clips are painted white .




1) The chart someone posted indicates white headliner was available.

2) I already pointed out that I peeled back the seams & stitching on the visors and they are white (which someone resprayed a different hue of white)




I see that a black and white interior got a white headliner, nothing else, and I didn't realize you were talking about the visors but considering the visors don't have VINs.

Is the car a low mileage unrestored survivor ?

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My 70 GTX was built on June 25th, 1970 (625) and is burnt orange with burnt orange interior and black seat belts, from the factory.

They must have run out of burnt orange seat belts around this time and just used black to finish out the model year.

Anyone have a late build burnt orange interior with burnt orange seat belts?

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My 70 GTX was built on June 25th, 1970 (625) and is burnt orange with burnt orange interior and black seat belts, from the factory.

They must have run out of burnt orange seat belts around this time and just used black to finish out the model year.

Anyone have a late build burnt orange interior with burnt orange seat belts?




Black seat belts were std with all interior colors, to get color coded seat belts you need the deluxe seat belt upgrade code C15


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Re: 1970 GTX burnt orange interior oddity. [Re: 1_WILD_RT] #1275655
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My 70 GTX was built on June 25th, 1970 (625) and is burnt orange with burnt orange interior and black seat belts, from the factory.

They must have run out of burnt orange seat belts around this time and just used black to finish out the model year.

Anyone have a late build burnt orange interior with burnt orange seat belts?




Black seat belts were std with all interior colors, to get color coded seat belts you need the deluxe seat belt upgrade code C15




No burnt orange seat belts unless you got the deluxe belts C15. Burnt orange interior came with standard black belts. Standard belts came in black, blue, green & tan only.


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Re: 1970 GTX burnt orange interior oddity. [Re: 70gtx440dana] #1275656
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Thanks for that info. I have been lied to all this time.

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My 1970 RR is a P6KW car it has it's original headliner, Sunvisor, dash, steering wheel, upper/lower doors and carpet are all burnt orange. Seats, door panel and arm rests are white.





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Re: 1970 GTX burnt orange interior oddity. [Re: johntpr] #1275658
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Re: 1970 GTX burnt orange interior oddity. [Re: 69CoronetRT] #1275659
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Since the thread popped up again- If you have a 70 GTX with a blue dash frame, you would have the interior shown below correct? There would be no black accents?

Re: 1970 GTX burnt orange interior oddity. [Re: gdonovan] #1275660
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Since the thread popped up again- If you have a 70 GTX with a blue dash frame, you would have the interior shown below correct? There would be no black accents?




That all blue interior pictured, or could be had with white seats and door panels. White seats and door panels always had white piping, no colored piping available on white vinyl.
Agreed, no black accents.

Re: 1970 GTX burnt orange interior oddity. [Re: NANKET] #1275661
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Since the thread popped up again- If you have a 70 GTX with a blue dash frame, you would have the interior shown below correct? There would be no black accents?




That all blue interior pictured, or could be had with white seats and door panels. White seats and door panels always had white piping, no colored piping available on white vinyl.
Agreed, no black accents.




My other GTX has a black interior but was clearly blue originally and I was curious. You can see where the dash was sprayed black in place and still see blue on the dash pieces around the edges.

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