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overheating problem - bubbles in radiator #1273555
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The wife called and said her PT Cruiser had overheated on her. Never did this before, even on the 105* days we had recently.
When I checked it, the water in the radiator was really low so I filled it up and started it with the cap off. I Noticed a lot of bubbles coming up thru the opening for the radiator cap. I shut it off and let it cool off. Re-started it when it was cool and still had the air bubbles. I drove it this morning (first I checked and it was still full of water) and less than 2 miles down the road the temp gauge was pegged and a warning light was on.
2 questions, Is this a sign the head gasket is bleeding/blown and will the new stop leak stuff seal it. I have never used it for a head gasket but some of it states on the bottle or can, you can repair head gaskets with it. Anyone used it before.
Thanks for your help

Re: overheating problem - bubbles in radiator [Re: SCATPACK 1] #1273556
07/25/12 11:11 AM
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2 questions, Is this a sign the head gasket is bleeding/blown and will the new stop leak stuff seal it.


(1) blown (2) no


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Re: overheating problem - bubbles in radiator [Re: SCATPACK 1] #1273557
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Thermo is still a possibility, but I would pull the spark plugs, pump the cooling sys up with a pressure tester and see if coolant gets in cylinders. Pressure tester is a real handy tool to have, even if it's only once a year or less. Sometimes the bubbling radiator is a little misleading, unless it's really blowing out of there. I just had a 4.7 here that ran a little rough cold, used a pint of coolant in 50 miles, put pressure tester on and pumped it up twice a day and after 3 days showed cyls 1 and 3 were getting coolant. Now if the PT's have head gasket issues routinely, have at it.

Re: overheating problem - bubbles in radiator [Re: RapidRobert] #1273558
07/25/12 11:34 AM
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the new stop leak stuff works!! i can't remember the brand, but the stuff was expensive, about $30. we have a beater van where i work, and it is just used to take the mail one block away twice a day. sprung a leak external to the block and internal (coolant bubbles/loss). we figured what do we have too loose, dumped in a bottle of this copper looking stop leak, ran it for 30mins idle, refilled coolant, that was 1.5yrs ago, and the van has actually been driven some distances for delivery ect....it completely stopped leaking and there is no coolant loss. i was amazed!!

BUT you have to be sure your problem is the head gasket, and factor in if it's worth fixing properly, in your case a fairly new car, that you rely on to go to work...ect...maybe it's wise to replace the head gasket (if that is the problem).
I'd check the simple things first, I've had a car do what you describe with a stuck-closed thermostat. You could also have a hose with a hole in it sucking air/collapsing hose, ect.....
i'd do some trouble shooting first before concluding a head gasket, check the plugs, ect....
but in a pinch, the stop leak stuff worked. this was in a 2001 GMC safari van with 400000kms, has about 50000kms since the stop leak stuff with no sign of leaks. it was not worth fixing if it actually needed a head gasket as it is high mile rusty and basically junk!!! but it's still going strong!!!

Re: overheating problem - bubbles in radiator [Re: SCATPACK 1] #1273559
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Very likely to be a head gasket. Crack in block or head possible, but much less likely. Stop leak is worth trying. I assume you have anti-freeze in the system. A small amount in the oil probably won't hurt if you change it right away, but larger amounts can do real damage.

Re: overheating problem - bubbles in radiator [Re: 69chargeryeehaa] #1273560
07/25/12 11:55 AM
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the new stop leak stuff works!! i can't remember the brand, but the stuff was expensive, about $30. we have a beater van where i work, and it is just used to take the mail one block away twice a day. sprung a leak external to the block and internal (coolant bubbles/loss). we figured what do we have too loose, dumped in a bottle of this copper looking stop leak, ran it for 30mins idle, refilled coolant, that was 1.5yrs ago, and the van has actually been driven some distances for delivery ect....it completely stopped leaking and there is no coolant loss. i was amazed!!

BUT you have to be sure your problem is the head gasket, and factor in if it's worth fixing properly, in your case a fairly new car, that you rely on to go to work...ect...maybe it's wise to replace the head gasket (if that is the problem).
I'd check the simple things first, I've had a car do what you describe with a stuck-closed thermostat. You could also have a hose with a hole in it sucking air/collapsing hose, ect.....
i'd do some trouble shooting first before concluding a head gasket, check the plugs, ect....
but in a pinch, the stop leak stuff worked. this was in a 2001 GMC safari van with 400000kms, has about 50000kms since the stop leak stuff with no sign of leaks. it was not worth fixing if it actually needed a head gasket as it is high mile rusty and basically junk!!! but it's still going strong!!!






I used this last fall, 8 months ago in a 4 cly forktruck motor. It get's worked pretty hard each day especially here as of late when it's 100 degrees out.

A another mechanic friend of mine recomended it to me and said it works great permently. So far he has been right.

It's get's used differently than other sealers I have used, got to follow the directions exactly is what he told me and I did, stuff worked for me.
K&W Block Seal

Re: overheating problem - bubbles in radiator [Re: Challenger 1] #1273561
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I agree with Chalenger1 K&W Block seal.

I used the K&w block seal on a Toyota Celia supra 15-20 years ago. The Toyota had a cracked head. I drained and flushed the cooling system and filled it with water, pulled the spark plug out of the cylinder that was getting the anti freeze put the K&W in ran the engine for a while with the plug out, then drained the cooling system, let it set over night, Put water in it in the morning and no more leak and it ran fine. I sold the car a couple weeks later thinking I was dumping it. The lady I sold it to still drives that worn out, used up pile of junk today and has never replaced the head.

My Mom and Dad had a Chevy Celebrity that had water in it during the winter and the block cracked. The block had a crack the length of the block on one side and a 6"x6" panel on the block that looked like a spider web with ice coming out of it. I did the same thing I did with the Toyota with the K&W and they drive that car for another 4 or 5 years and it never leaked a drop.

I now call the K&W block seal "Head gasket in a can"

I had a can put away because usually when you find something that works they stop making in right. I reluctantly gave it to a friend of mine to use but it went bad in the can. I'm glad to see that they still make it.

Re: overheating problem - bubbles in radiator [Re: Challenger 1] #1273562
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Holy crap I just saw the price of that stuff $40 a can ???? I think I paid $5 or $6 a can for it the last time I used it.

OOPS my bad ..... That's for a case

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Re: overheating problem - bubbles in radiator [Re: GreenGlow] #1273563
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Holy crap I just saw the price of that stuff $40 a can ???? I think I paid $5 or $6 a can for it the last time I used it.

OOPS my bad ..... That's for a case




6 headgaskets jobs to a case. How many engines got repaired with that stuff and the customer got billed for head gaskets? The guy who told me about it I have known 30 years, now he's retired. I bet that why he "spilled the beans.

I found it on the shelf at Car Quest.

Re: overheating problem - bubbles in radiator [Re: Challenger 1] #1273564
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Thanks guys
I am going to try it. This PT has a lot of miles on it and I really do not want to pull the head off. Major pain from the two I have worked on in the past.
But thanks again for this info.

Re: overheating problem - bubbles in radiator [Re: SCATPACK 1] #1273565
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I learned something today. I had no idea that stuff actually worked


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Re: overheating problem - bubbles in radiator [Re: RapidRobert] #1273566
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I learned something today. I had no idea that stuff actually worked




Me too.
I always thought it worked to well and clogged things it shouldn't.


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Re: overheating problem - bubbles in radiator [Re: SCATPACK 1] #1273567
07/25/12 11:54 PM
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I worked in the parts business for a long while. I would always recomend fixing the problem but if a stop leak is needed I would Highly recomend a product called Blue Devil. Expensive but only product I would put my name to.







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