best antifreeze?
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I am flushing the system in my Super Bee, and am looking for a little advice on antifreeze. First, the restoration is only a few years old, so everything is fairly fresh. I drive the car about 800 miles per year, and the climate around here is pretty moderate. I have heard I should uses distilled water, but another suggestion is 50/50 pre-mixed coolant. Also, what about corrosion inhibitors? All help much appreciated!
*1969 383 4sp. Super Bee *1966 Alfa Romeo Giulia Sprint GT *1965 Porsche 356C *2004 VW Passat Wagon *2004 Mini Cooper S *1967 Jaguar E-Type FHC
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Re: best antifreeze?
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It's a stock system, so I am guessing no aluminum
*1969 383 4sp. Super Bee *1966 Alfa Romeo Giulia Sprint GT *1965 Porsche 356C *2004 VW Passat Wagon *2004 Mini Cooper S *1967 Jaguar E-Type FHC
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Re: best antifreeze?
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07/23/12 11:34 PM
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I am becoming a dexcool fan again because of all the aluminum in my cooling systems. I think it provides better protection than the green stuff. There are test strips that I use on HD trucks and my own cars and SUVs. There a additive which containns a chemical called DCA or it stands for something. Many different companys sell it, contains nitrates? helps protect metals, all kinds of metal. You add it the the coolant and keep a eye on it with test strips and they will tell you when it's time to change coolant. Now that I have eddie aluminum heads my green anti freeze was trashed after 1.5 years. I switched to dexcool and it is holding up much better. there are 3 way test strips also for dexcool also that I use. Pencool is only one of many brands that contain DCA that is used, but you got to keep track with test stripps.
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Re: best antifreeze?
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07/23/12 11:36 PM
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You can still find the classic green at NAPA and other stores. Beware that color doesn't tell the whole story, though; some green antifreeze is "Dex-clone" (same formula as Dexcool). Some common Dex-clones are Prestone All Makes/Models, Peak Long Life, and Supertech.
If you want a good extended-life, non-Dex coolant, get some G-05 (either Mopar or Zerex). Another good option is Peak Global Lifetime. The main difference is that G-05 is low -silicate, and PGL is silicate-free.
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Re: best antifreeze?
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07/24/12 02:18 AM
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I am becoming a dexcool fan again because of all the aluminum in my cooling systems. I think it provides better protection than the green stuff.
There are test strips that I use on HD trucks and my own cars and SUVs. There a additive which contains a chemical called DCA or it stands for something. Many different companies sell it, contains nitrates? helps protect metals, all kinds of metal. You add it the the coolant and keep a eye on it with test strips and they will tell you when it's time to change coolant.
Now that I have eddie aluminum heads my green anti freeze was trashed after 1.5 years. I switched to dexcool and it is holding up much better. there are 3 way test strips also for dexcool also that I use. Pencool is only one of many brands that contain DCA that is used, but you got to keep track with test stripps.
It's SCA. That stands for Supplemental Coolant Additive.
I sell Justice Brothers Cooling System Protector (CSP/1P) to my shops and dealerships. It has the SCA's needed to treat up to a 31 quart system.
When you put a new aluminum radiator or heater core there is a bunch of new fresh metal that pulls the SCA's and other inhibitors out of your traditional Green/Dex/Etc coolant mixture. This takes away from the reserve protection in your coolant. The industry has noted an increase of premature heater core and radiator failures due to failed protection.*
My shops will add a bottle of Justice Brothers Cooling System Protector to give added protection with new heater or radiator replacements.
* Here are the results from a premature radiator failure as investigated "Cool Profit$ Magazine" s radiator shop trade magazine
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The Bottom Line (Closing thoughts by I.M.) Our specific radiator had essentially four major strikes against it right from the start:
1. The cooling system, with only 26% glycol, was loaded half short on coolant, and, the corresponding amount of inhibitors.
2. Being short on coolant meant it was high on water. And again, Waco Water turns out to be not “good” water for a cooling system.
3. & 4. This aluminum radiator is exceptionally large for being a light duty application. What it really needed was an extra batch of inhibitors with the initial coolant charge. What it unfortunately got was a short one—it probably came in at about 62 ppm silicates. Then, as soon as that coolant hit all those brand new, uncoated aluminum tubes, the plating action quickly consumed the available protectors. By the time the concentration of silicates degraded its final value of 9 ppm, there was not enough left to continue protecting the most vulnerable part of the radiator: The tube welds.
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Re: best antifreeze?
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07/24/12 07:53 AM
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I am becoming a dexcool fan again because of all the aluminum in my cooling systems. I think it provides better protection than the green stuff.
There are test strips that I use on HD trucks and my own cars and SUVs. There a additive which contains a chemical called DCA or it stands for something. Many different companies sell it, contains nitrates? helps protect metals, all kinds of metal. You add it the the coolant and keep a eye on it with test strips and they will tell you when it's time to change coolant.
Now that I have eddie aluminum heads my green anti freeze was trashed after 1.5 years. I switched to dexcool and it is holding up much better. there are 3 way test strips also for dexcool also that I use. Pencool is only one of many brands that contain DCA that is used, but you got to keep track with test stripps.
It's SCA. That stands for Supplemental Coolant Additive.
I sell Justice Brothers Cooling System Protector (CSP/1P) to my shops and dealerships. It has the SCA's needed to treat up to a 31 quart system.
When you put a new aluminum radiator or heater core there is a bunch of new fresh metal that pulls the SCA's and other inhibitors out of your traditional Green/Dex/Etc coolant mixture. This takes away from the reserve protection in your coolant. The industry has noted an increase of premature heater core and radiator failures due to failed protection.*
My shops will add a bottle of Justice Brothers Cooling System Protector to give added protection with new heater or radiator replacements.
* Here are the results from a premature radiator failure as investigated "Cool Profit$ Magazine" s radiator shop trade magazine
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The Bottom Line (Closing thoughts by I.M.) Our specific radiator had essentially four major strikes against it right from the start:
1. The cooling system, with only 26% glycol, was loaded half short on coolant, and, the corresponding amount of inhibitors.
2. Being short on coolant meant it was high on water. And again, Waco Water turns out to be not “good” water for a cooling system.
3. & 4. This aluminum radiator is exceptionally large for being a light duty application. What it really needed was an extra batch of inhibitors with the initial coolant charge. What it unfortunately got was a short one—it probably came in at about 62 ppm silicates. Then, as soon as that coolant hit all those brand new, uncoated aluminum tubes, the plating action quickly consumed the available protectors. By the time the concentration of silicates degraded its final value of 9 ppm, there was not enough left to continue protecting the most vulnerable part of the radiator: The tube welds.
No it's DCA...web page
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Re: best antifreeze?
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07/24/12 08:48 AM
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DexCool is probally the worst junk made.Ive flushed lots of GMs that were plugged by it.My 440 aluminum heads I run the Global type that mixes with anything.We pretty much used it at the shop on all the flushes we did.Just think how many people abuse their daily drivers.It works.The 50/50 mix is good if you dont want to buy distilled water.The green is slowly going out.Rocky
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Re: best antifreeze?
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07/24/12 01:30 PM
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So, does a stock cooling system in a '69 Dodge have any aluminum components?
*1969 383 4sp. Super Bee *1966 Alfa Romeo Giulia Sprint GT *1965 Porsche 356C *2004 VW Passat Wagon *2004 Mini Cooper S *1967 Jaguar E-Type FHC
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Re: best antifreeze?
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07/24/12 01:36 PM
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Distilled water and Prestone 100% (green) mixed 50/50 for me!
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Re: best antifreeze?
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07/24/12 02:38 PM
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... No it's DCA...web page
Ok I'm sorry it's getting confusing with general industry terminalogy and manufacturer's product names.
"DCA" is Fleetguard's product name (Registered) for that product.
"Pencool" is Penray's product name (Registered) for that product.
You said,
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Pencool is only one of many brands that contain DCA that is used
What's contained in Fleetguard DCA product line are generally called Supplemental Coolant Additives (SCA's) in the industry. Notice at the top of Fleetguard bottle web page the bottle is says, "Supplemental Coolant Additive"
Penray's "Pencool" product you posted makes no mention of "DCA". But Penray does have document that gives conversion tables of Fleetguard's "DCA" product to Penray's "Pencool" product. Penray terms both products as: Supplemental Coolant Additives.
The Coolant test strips you posted are sort of an industry standard. And private labeled by Accustrip or CoolTrak companies for Fleetguard, Penray, Wix, Baldwin, etc...
Good to know and kind of what I was thinking. I usually got DCA from a Navistar truck dealer and they sell Fleetgaurd and last time I got it from Truck Pro, guy said it was the same stuff or did the same thing only under the pencool name.
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07/24/12 02:46 PM
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good way to test if your A/F needs to be replaced. I've seen some produce 20-30 volts. anyways, best antifreeze is any outside temp above 32f (haha) or use your favorite brand mixed 50/50 with distilled ( or boiled ) water. replace every couple years if paranoid. there is no 'best'.
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Re: best antifreeze?
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07/24/12 03:39 PM
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Did you read where you can use a multimeter to test your anti freeze which is more accurate than test strips?
That tests for electrolysis in the system. Over .3 volts or 300 mV is bad. Stray voltage in system. Should shoot for less that .1 volts or 100 mV.
There might be some relatitionship to Freezing Point and nitrate depletion. But the coolant test strips are for testing that. Electrolysis is really related to pH testing of course.
Here's my system with distilled water, Justice Brothers Cooling System Protector (CSP/1P) and Radiator Super Cool (RC/22P).
I'm reading only 76 mV or .076 Volts
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