IRON Small Block heads!!
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Please educate me on smallblock Iron heads. I have been looking at heads lately for a Smallblock. Looking at Iron as well as Aluminum. BUT with the iron what is out there and what is worth the asking $$$$ is in question. I know of J-heads, R/T 1.98 and 2.02 heads, RHS (Indy Heads) and Engine Quest heads. Are there any others out there that should be considered GOOD Performers ? Far as I know NONE of these are in Production any longer. Though INDY has some of the last RHS in stock. They all pop-up from time to time for sale at decent prices. I had some R/T 2.02's on a 408 but sold that engine years ago. I know heads can be total worlds apart when comparing OOTB and some massaging in the right hands. I also know that there are some heads that have Hidden issues and Even some that have Hidden secrets that make them more desirable. With all that said. I am looking at suggestions for an Iron head for a 433-435 cui stroker. ![](/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/2491406-danstruck.gif)
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Re: IRON Small Block heads!!
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Please educate me on smallblock Iron heads.
I have been looking at heads lately for a Smallblock. Looking at Iron as well as Aluminum. BUT with the iron what is out there and what is worth the asking $$$$ is in question.
I know of J-heads, R/T 1.98 and 2.02 heads, RHS (Indy Heads) and Engine Quest heads. Are there any others out there that should be considered GOOD Performers ?
Far as I know NONE of these are in Production any longer. Though INDY has some of the last RHS in stock. They all pop-up from time to time for sale at decent prices.
I had some R/T 2.02's on a 408 but sold that engine years ago.
I know heads can be total worlds apart when comparing OOTB and some massaging in the right hands.
I also know that there are some heads that have Hidden issues and Even some that have Hidden secrets that make them more desirable.
With all that said.
I am looking at suggestions for an Iron head for a 433-435 cui stroker.
For a iron head and at that cubes I would be looking at the W-2... yeah its more money in the end due to the rockers and headers but there isnt another IRON head that will touch them ![](/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wave.gif)
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I run fulley ported "Iron Ram Magnums" that I bought from Hughes a few years back on my 408. As far as iron heads go, IMO they fall just under the W2's on the performance side and right at the top for iron heads that take "standard" ( for lack of a better word and on the magnum side ) valve train.
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Yeah $$$$ is a concern BUT I am always open to suggestions. Never know what might pop up in the For Sale section and what price will be on it.
Good to know W-2s swing both ways as well. 48* or 59*
I guess that may be the head a keep an eye out for if I go Iron!!
It's only money.
Plus, you can make it back quick by telling an unsuspecting brand Xer that your 430ci 15* W2 is a 340 with a cam and headers. ![](/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/devil.gif)
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Need to talk to Dan smith out of Arnold mo. He runs stock iron heads well into the 9 50 zone, He also has a Chry 300 than run well into the mid 11s with small block and 4000# with iron heads drives it all the time everywhere! ![](/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beer.gif)
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Just remember the 48° W2 heads have a 15° valve angle most times requiring custom pistons with that valve relief. I would just run Indy's -1 head with custom porting (not Indys). Mine usually go 330's with a 2.100 valve. If iron is the only alternative then W2's really are the best iron head for that many cubes. I like the small chamber W2's but they aren't exactly cheap and end up only about 800.00 cheaper than Indy's if they're setup comparitively. But 800. is 800.!! Some of that will get eaten up in pistons though...but I prefer custom pistons most times as well so you get everything you want/need the first time.
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Re: IRON Small Block heads!!
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Just remember the 48° W2 heads have a 15° valve angle most times requiring custom pistons with that valve relief. I would just run Indy's -1 head with custom porting (not Indys). Mine usually go 330's with a 2.100 valve. If iron is the only alternative then W2's really are the best iron head for that many cubes. I like the small chamber W2's but they aren't exactly cheap and end up only about 800.00 cheaper than Indy's if they're setup comparitively. But 800. is 800.!! Some of that will get eaten up in pistons though...but I prefer custom pistons most times as well so you get everything you want/need the first time.
Brian
Brain,
Thanks!! I'll try and give you a call sometime this week and discuss what I'm looking at.
The reason I was asking thsi question is I had seen the RHS prices went up since Indy bought the last of them and was wondering if there was a CHEAP Iron head still out there.
I was also curious as to what other Iron heads are considered really good. I don't know much about the W2's. I just know I had seen them pop-up for sale and in pretty fast cars quite often.
Thanks Again, Kenny B.
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Yeah $$$$ is a concern BUT I am always open to suggestions. Never know what might pop up in the For Sale section and what price will be on it.
Good to know W-2s swing both ways as well. 48* or 59*
I guess that may be the head a keep an eye out for if I go Iron!!
It's only money.
Plus, you can make it back quick by telling an unsuspecting brand Xer that your 430ci 15* W2 is a 340 with a cam and headers.
LOL!! I tell most of them it's a Mopar and that Looses them. If that doesn't work Throw in it's a Small Block Motor and that really throws them. LOL!
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Indy is still casting them. And they don't have any plans to stop. This head is all Indy now, and we move about 80 heads a year. They are still the best bang for the buck in a very wide variety of builds but I have to say if it were my 430+ engine I would be using Indy's -1 heads and be done. You can always tame the cam and engine down, but it gets expensive upgrading from new parts to new parts every so often.
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Indy is still casting them. And they don't have any plans to stop. This head is all Indy now, and we move about 80 heads a year. They are still the best bang for the buck in a very wide variety of builds but I have to say if it were my 430+ engine I would be using Indy's -1 heads and be done. You can always tame the cam and engine down, but it gets expensive upgrading from new parts to new parts every so often.
Which Indy-1 are you referring to?
Only 1 I know of is the 360-1 , and have read a lot of complaints about them cracking lately.
That was the head I originally had in mind.
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my cracks are in 245-1 360 cnc heads mate
I saw yours. I also saw a few others complain of the same thing after I saw your issue.
I also saw a guy on another site trying to sell his even mentioning that he could never get them to seal right and was tired of dealing with them.
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The best LA heads are the 308s. But no porting? Is there a claimer rule? I ask because Brzezinski and others port cast iron heads then treat the surfaces to make it look "as cast". You should look them up, if only to know what your competition may be doing.
R.
Thanks!!
I had heard of people that could do that BUT never met anyone that knew anyone directly. Always 3rd party info.
Yes there is Claimer and/or Crate rules.
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