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Does It pay to Weld this Block?? #1270922 07/20/12 02:09 PM 07/20/12 02:09 PM
Joined: Oct 2007 Posts: 735 New York R/T1968R/T OP super stock
R/T1968R/T OP super stock Joined: Oct 2007 Posts: 735 New York	Picked up a 1968 440HP with fresh machine work for $25. It is bored .030 and clean. It has an external crack in the water jacket. I was quoted $300-400 guaranteed and pressure tested. 68HP motors dont grow on trees. Is it worth fixing??

Re: Does It pay to Weld this Block?? [Re: R/T1968R/T] #1270923 07/20/12 02:26 PM 07/20/12 02:26 PM
Joined: Jan 2004 Posts: 27,347 Today? Who Knows? 1_WILD_RT Management Trainee
1_WILD_RT Management Trainee Joined: Jan 2004 Posts: 27,347 Today? Who Knows?	Rather than weld it it should be pinned... Look up Lock N Stitch Or how about http://www.locknstitch.com/ http://www.locknstitch.com/CastIronWelding.htm http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FIKY--USk7Y "The Armies of our ancestors were lucky, in that they were not trailed by a second army of pencil pushers."

Re: Does It pay to Weld this Block?? [Re: R/T1968R/T] #1270924 07/20/12 02:29 PM 07/20/12 02:29 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 75,005 U.S.S.A. JohnRR I Win
JohnRR I Win Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 75,005 U.S.S.A.	Quote: Picked up a 1968 440HP with fresh machine work for $25. It is bored .030 and clean. It has an external crack in the water jacket. I was quoted $300-400 guaranteed and pressure tested. 68HP motors dont grow on trees. Is it worth fixing?? ASSuMEing its not the original engine to a car you currently only that is up to you to decide as it's not ever going to be the original engine no matter how close dates and such are.

Re: Does It pay to Weld this Block?? [Re: R/T1968R/T] #1270925 07/20/12 02:31 PM 07/20/12 02:31 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 15,976 Chilliwack B.C. Canada R RUNCHARGER I Live Here
RUNCHARGER I Live Here R Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 15,976 Chilliwack B.C. Canada	Not worth it. Find another one, my cars must run first, looks and date codes are secondary. Sheldon

Re: Does It pay to Weld this Block?? [Re: RUNCHARGER] #1270926 07/20/12 02:44 PM 07/20/12 02:44 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 6,266 Renton Washington T Triple Threat master
Triple Threat master T Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 6,266 Renton Washington	Depends on what you mean by fresh machine work, if someone sunk $1,000 into the block to have it bored, honed, etc etc and all it needs is the crack fixed, I would give it a shot. Personally, The fact its a 68 HP block has zero bearing on my decision. -Dustin 67 Dart, 9 second, 392" G3 Hemi 68 Barracuda 340 F/SA

Re: Does It pay to Weld this Block?? [Re: Triple Threat] #1270927 07/20/12 02:57 PM 07/20/12 02:57 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 15,976 Chilliwack B.C. Canada R RUNCHARGER I Live Here
RUNCHARGER I Live Here R Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 15,976 Chilliwack B.C. Canada	Back when Hemi stuff wasn't around I had a Hemi head repaired. It was great for a few months then it opened up again. So I was out the cost of the repair, the machining and then I had to go find another head and do it all over again anyway. Good money after bad, and you'll always be wondering when it's going to open up again. Sheldon

Re: Does It pay to Weld this Block?? [Re: Triple Threat] #1270928 07/20/12 04:16 PM 07/20/12 04:16 PM
Joined: Oct 2007 Posts: 735 New York R/T1968R/T OP super stock
R/T1968R/T OP super stock Joined: Oct 2007 Posts: 735 New York	Its been freshly bored and honed and square decked.

Re: Does It pay to Weld this Block?? [Re: R/T1968R/T] #1270929 07/20/12 04:41 PM 07/20/12 04:41 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 27,468 So Cal autoxcuda Too Many Posts
autoxcuda Too Many Posts Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 27,468 So Cal	Quote: Its been freshly bored and honed and square decked. If you are just welding on the exetior water jacket will you need to re-machine/hone everything straight again?

Re: Does It pay to Weld this Block?? [Re: RUNCHARGER] #1270930 07/20/12 05:45 PM 07/20/12 05:45 PM
Joined: Jan 2004 Posts: 27,347 Today? Who Knows? 1_WILD_RT Management Trainee
1_WILD_RT Management Trainee Joined: Jan 2004 Posts: 27,347 Today? Who Knows?	Quote: Back when Hemi stuff wasn't around I had a Hemi head repaired. It was great for a few months then it opened up again. So I was out the cost of the repair, the machining and then I had to go find another head and do it all over again anyway. Good money after bad, and you'll always be wondering when it's going to open up again. Sheldon And this is why you don't weld it... Lock n Stitch, used in automotive & industry for many years, trouble free won't need to remachine the block... They sell DIY kits for reasonable money... "The Armies of our ancestors were lucky, in that they were not trailed by a second army of pencil pushers."

Re: Does It pay to Weld this Block?? [Re: 1_WILD_RT] #1270931 07/20/12 06:27 PM 07/20/12 06:27 PM
Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 28,312 Cincinnati, Ohio Challenger 1 Too Many Posts
Challenger 1 Too Many Posts Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 28,312 Cincinnati, Ohio	Quote: Quote: Back when Hemi stuff wasn't around I had a Hemi head repaired. It was great for a few months then it opened up again. So I was out the cost of the repair, the machining and then I had to go find another head and do it all over again anyway. Good money after bad, and you'll always be wondering when it's going to open up again. Sheldon And this is why you don't weld it... Lock n Stitch, used in automotive & industry for many years, trouble free won't need to remachine the block... They sell DIY kits for reasonable money... Yes it's a amazing repair method, invented by a german? guy like 100 years ago? I watched a old boss do that repair 25 years ago. I was amazed.

Re: Does It pay to Weld this Block?? [Re: Challenger 1] #1270932 07/21/12 10:56 AM 07/21/12 10:56 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 10,713 North Dakota 6PakBee I Live Here
6PakBee I Live Here Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 10,713 North Dakota	I would be more concerned about there being more cracks than just the one you found. As to repairs, the plugging method is a good, proven, no heat method to repair a crack in something that operates at moderate pressure and temperature. "We live in a time when intelligent people are being silenced so that stupid people won't be offended".

Re: Does It pay to Weld this Block?? [Re: R/T1968R/T] #1270933 07/21/12 11:32 AM 07/21/12 11:32 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 1,606 westerly, ri. usa 4 440lebaron top fuel
440lebaron top fuel 4 Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 1,606 westerly, ri. usa	my 440 has a external crack front rt side from no antifreeze. jb weld 15 years ago. 9.13sec 148 mph if its a stress crack might be a problem gary all parts are sold as is, all parts are considered used no warranties or returns paypal/check/money order, shipping is from zip 02891, buyer pays paypal fees 24% IRS 1099A plus 3% of part price, check/money order preferred site is not monitored 24/7 there might be a delay in response

Re: Does It pay to Weld this Block?? [Re: 440lebaron] #1270934 07/21/12 11:58 AM 07/21/12 11:58 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 1,791 Big Sky Country M MO_PA top fuel
MO_PA top fuel M Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 1,791 Big Sky Country	if it's cracked on the outside it may also be cracked in the valley just above the lifter bores

Re: Does It pay to Weld this Block?? [Re: MO_PA] #1270935 07/21/12 12:58 PM 07/21/12 12:58 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 2,431 USA S SSAAHemiFan top fuel
SSAAHemiFan top fuel S Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 2,431 USA	Has the whole block already been crack checked by a machine shop ? If not pay someone to pressure test/ crack test it first so you know exactly what you are dealing with. Stitching and pinning works if done correctly. You are into it so cheap I would give it a shot unless the crack inspection turns up something major.

Re: Does It pay to Weld this Block?? [Re: R/T1968R/T] #1270936 07/21/12 06:32 PM 07/21/12 06:32 PM
Joined: Nov 2004 Posts: 3,544 Syracuse,NY CompWedgeEngines master
CompWedgeEngines master Joined: Nov 2004 Posts: 3,544 Syracuse,NY	Can you send me a pick of the cracked in the block....what part of the block is cracked....where are you located? RIP Monte Smith Your work is a reflection of yourself, autograph it with quality. WD for Diamond Pistons,Sidewinder cylinder heads, Wiseco, K1 rods and cranks,BAM lifters, Morel lifters, Molnar Technologies, Harland Sharp, Pro Gear, Cometic, King Engine Bearings and many others.

Re: Does It pay to Weld this Block?? [Re: CompWedgeEngines] #1270937 07/21/12 08:15 PM 07/21/12 08:15 PM
Joined: Oct 2007 Posts: 735 New York R/T1968R/T OP super stock
R/T1968R/T OP super stock Joined: Oct 2007 Posts: 735 New York	The block is cracked just behind the drivers motor mount. Someone welded it with two beads. I was told the crack was about 3" in length. the bead was extended to 5", he added an inch each way for strength.The motor ran fine he just had a tiny drip from it. I checked the vin and the motor is from a 69 Charger R/T, that why I want to keep it. Im located in Queens NY.

Re: Does It pay to Weld this Block?? [Re: R/T1968R/T] #1270938 07/21/12 09:30 PM 07/21/12 09:30 PM
Joined: Oct 2007 Posts: 735 New York R/T1968R/T OP super stock
R/T1968R/T OP super stock Joined: Oct 2007 Posts: 735 New York	The block is cast 8-16-68 build date 8-30 Its from a 69 Charger, Heres the Vin 7302223-vinnumber.jpg (73 downloads)

Re: Does It pay to Weld this Block?? [Re: R/T1968R/T] #1270939 07/22/12 12:36 AM 07/22/12 12:36 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 20,176 Park Forest, IL slantzilla Too Many Posts
slantzilla Too Many Posts Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 20,176 Park Forest, IL	I had a 383 that was cracked in about the same place. I put a bottle of Bar's Leak in and forgot about it. "Everybody funny, now you funny too."

Re: Does It pay to Weld this Block?? [Re: slantzilla] #1270940 07/22/12 03:33 AM 07/22/12 03:33 AM
Joined: Oct 2005 Posts: 6,048 Back home in PA B BulletBob master
BulletBob master B Joined: Oct 2005 Posts: 6,048 Back home in PA	I've drilled & welded lifter valleys & almost every kind of outside water crack that you can imagine for years Lifter valley cracks get a dose of ceramic block sealer The outside gets ground smooth & a epoxy worked in with a solid steel roller Preheating & short welds V the crack good The ones too close to a machine surface I drill tap & loctite valve cover studs & a dose of epoxy I've welded pan rails back in & all Another member here helped me improve my process about 20 years ago with great success (the welding) He does a lot of head & block repair The hoot is the welding is done with a MIG & it works

Re: Does It pay to Weld this Block?? [Re: BulletBob] #1270941 07/22/12 01:08 PM 07/22/12 01:08 PM
Joined: Aug 2005 Posts: 4,799 ILL M MLR426 master
MLR426 master M Joined: Aug 2005 Posts: 4,799 ILL	Has this vin been checked for a 69 charger 500 ?? This block should be pinned, I've done a few and it is a good fix. No welding should be done if the machine work is complete, heating causes things to move around. Before anymore money goes into this block put cam bearings in it and slide a cam in and see if it goes in and turns freely ??? and magnaflux everywhere. If it does pass the cam and mag check then justify a repair. MLR426 Martin

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