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Re: Why do people put v10 motors in these cars? [Re: torqueaddict] #1270790 07/20/12 07:11 PM 07/20/12 07:11 PM
Joined: Oct 2003 Posts: 21,345 Marysville, O-H-I-O 70Cuda383 Too Many Posts
70Cuda383 Too Many Posts Joined: Oct 2003 Posts: 21,345 Marysville, O-H-I-O	Quote: I agree with what you guys are saying. All I'm saying is if a viper motor comes with 400-500 hp and torque stock for 10k( about the average cost for a used viper motor). here's one, best offer. http://www.viperalley.com/classifieds/showproduct.php?product=7946&sort=2&cat=5&page=2 complete engine, transmission, computer, and harness for 9 grand. sell what you don't want and the engine is way less than 10 grand, or right at 10 grand for everything including a T-56 manual transmission. http://www.viperalley.com/classifieds/showproduct.php?product=7882&sort=2&cat=5&page=4 short block for 6 grand. and heads for $750 http://classifieds.viperclub.org/showpro...-cam&cat=47 http://www.ebay.com/itm/DODGE-VIPER-SRT1...e37&vxp=mtr complete engine for under 6 grand... http://www.ebay.com/itm/1997-Dodge-Viper...=item3cbd9efffb the other thing to consider is that a FACTORY STOCK viper block can make a ton of power by just adding boost. take a factory stock RB block and add boost, what's the limit? 700? 800? maybe 1000 hp if you're careful with it. you'd need an expensive, aftermarket block to go over 1000 hp reliably. Photobucket sucks

Re: Why do people put v10 motors in these cars? [Re: Bill_LBSR] #1270791 07/20/12 11:22 PM 07/20/12 11:22 PM
Joined: Aug 2010 Posts: 185 east bay ca T torqueaddict OP member
torqueaddict OP member T Joined: Aug 2010 Posts: 185 east bay ca	Quote: A big block built to handle that amount of power with twin turbos would cost more then 10 grand. Realistically whats the most power you could get from a wedge stroker with turbo? could you at least put 800 hp and torque to the wheels? What would be the limit and still be reliable and streetable. Also are there any twin turbo setups or regular turbo systems that will work with a wedge motor or even a hemi?

Re: Why do people put v10 motors in these cars? [Re: torqueaddict] #1270792 07/20/12 11:39 PM 07/20/12 11:39 PM
Joined: Oct 2003 Posts: 21,345 Marysville, O-H-I-O 70Cuda383 Too Many Posts
70Cuda383 Too Many Posts Joined: Oct 2003 Posts: 21,345 Marysville, O-H-I-O	Quote: Quote: A big block built to handle that amount of power with twin turbos would cost more then 10 grand. Realistically whats the most power you could get from a wedge stroker with turbo? could you at least put 800 hp and torque to the wheels? What would be the limit and still be reliable and streetable. Also are there any twin turbo setups or regular turbo systems that will work with a wedge motor or even a hemi? I don't know the limit of the stock block, isn't it up around the 800-900 hp mark? (streetable, non-filled block) anyway, a turbo is a turbo. anyone can put a turbo onto anything. all you need is exhaust gasses plumbed to spin the turbo up, and the output side of the turbo plumbed to the intake of the carb/TB. Feets has a twin turbo 440, I think he had the wick on that one turned up to around 800-900 hp with EFI. Photobucket sucks

Re: Why do people put v10 motors in these cars? [Re: 70Cuda383] #1270793 07/21/12 12:19 AM 07/21/12 12:19 AM
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A57_RT Parts Problem A Joined: Jan 2012 Posts: 323	Thems crazy prices, I bought this late gen 1 405hp forged internal motor off this board 3 years ago for $4500 to the door, from clutch to ac comp, starter, assembly line motor with org oil filter and paperwork from mound road, $800 for a used correct 18k mile trans, $600 for a stand alone gen computer, $200 for a new gen rad, and used oil cooler lines off the bag. The only bad part if any is its 800 pound plus full dressed weight. Alot of room for easy hp with no cats and a aftermerket computer. Quote: Quote: I agree with what you guys are saying. All I'm saying is if a viper motor comes with 400-500 hp and torque stock for 10k( about the average cost for a used viper motor). here's one, best offer. http://www.viperalley.com/classifieds/showproduct.php?product=7946&sort=2&cat=5&page=2 complete engine, transmission, computer, and harness for 9 grand. sell what you don't want and the engine is way less than 10 grand, or right at 10 grand for everything including a T-56 manual transmission. http://www.viperalley.com/classifieds/showproduct.php?product=7882&sort=2&cat=5&page=4 short block for 6 grand. and heads for $750 http://classifieds.viperclub.org/showpro...-cam&cat=47 http://www.ebay.com/itm/DODGE-VIPER-SRT1...e37&vxp=mtr complete engine for under 6 grand... http://www.ebay.com/itm/1997-Dodge-Viper...=item3cbd9efffb the other thing to consider is that a FACTORY STOCK viper block can make a ton of power by just adding boost. take a factory stock RB block and add boost, what's the limit? 700? 800? maybe 1000 hp if you're careful with it. you'd need an expensive, aftermarket block to go over 1000 hp reliably. 7301386-V10FBody.JPG (37 downloads)

Re: Why do people put v10 motors in these cars? [Re: 70Cuda383] #1270794 07/21/12 12:48 AM 07/21/12 12:48 AM
Joined: May 2004 Posts: 453 Holly, MI JackGTX440 mopar
JackGTX440 mopar Joined: May 2004 Posts: 453 Holly, MI	Quote: the other thing to consider is that a FACTORY STOCK viper block can make a ton of power by just adding boost. take a factory stock RB block and add boost, what's the limit? 700? 800? maybe 1000 hp if you're careful with it. you'd need an expensive, aftermarket block to go over 1000 hp reliably. This^^^ The stock viper block can just about handle what a $4500 aftermarket RB block can handle. Jack Irons Jr. '67 GTX, turbo 6.1 HEMI

Re: Why do people put v10 motors in these cars? [Re: JackGTX440] #1270795 07/21/12 12:58 AM 07/21/12 12:58 AM
Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 52,972 Romeo MI MR_P_BODY Master
MR_P_BODY Master Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 52,972 Romeo MI	I know Scott(dizuster) made about 470 RWhp with his stock block 360 with a turbo... he was driving right through the conv with 18% slippage on the dyno... I'm not sure if he even changed the pistons to lower the compression any farther than the low compression it already had... and he didnt even have the boost up much at all... and you cant even hear that car running.. thats the trick part about turbos Last edited by MR_P_BODY; 07/21/12 01:02 AM.

Re: Why do people put v10 motors in these cars? [Re: MR_P_BODY] #1270796 07/21/12 12:45 PM 07/21/12 12:45 PM
Joined: Aug 2008 Posts: 4,070 Mo. racerx master
racerx master Joined: Aug 2008 Posts: 4,070 Mo.	So what is that the key to running a lot of HP on pump gas with these cars? meth injections?

Re: Why do people put v10 motors in these cars? [Re: racerx] #1270797 07/21/12 03:56 PM 07/21/12 03:56 PM
Joined: Nov 2008 Posts: 671 Wisconsin USA B Bill MeLater mopar
Bill MeLater mopar B Joined: Nov 2008 Posts: 671 Wisconsin USA	I think they're very cool powerplants, but I'll never get past the fact that they just don't sound right. Nothing better than a good old fashion V8....

Re: Why do people put v10 motors in these cars? [Re: Bill MeLater] #1270798 07/21/12 04:12 PM 07/21/12 04:12 PM
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MR_P_BODY Master Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 52,972 Romeo MI	Quote: I think they're very cool powerplants, but I'll never get past the fact that they just don't sound right. Nothing better than a good old fashion V8.... Its just the sound you grew up with... hell kids now days love the sound of a 4 banger with a fart can... I like the V10 sound... its just different

Re: Why do people put v10 motors in these cars? [Re: MR_P_BODY] #1270799 07/21/12 06:49 PM 07/21/12 06:49 PM
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Anonymous Unregistered A	Quote: Quote: I think they're very cool powerplants, but I'll never get past the fact that they just don't sound right. Nothing better than a good old fashion V8.... Its just the sound you grew up with... hell kids now days love the sound of a 4 banger with a fart can... I like the V10 sound... its just different Nahh, they sound like dump truck motor with a plug wire missing!

Re: Why do people put v10 motors in these cars? #1270800 07/22/12 01:33 AM 07/22/12 01:33 AM
Joined: May 2004 Posts: 453 Holly, MI JackGTX440 mopar
JackGTX440 mopar Joined: May 2004 Posts: 453 Holly, MI	Yeah, I agree they don't sound well. Something as exotic as a v10 absolutely needs to have a flat plane crank to sound good. It would give it more of a formula 1 sound rather than sound like a 3.9 Dakota with a dynomax... Jack Irons Jr. '67 GTX, turbo 6.1 HEMI

Re: Why do people put v10 motors in these cars? [Re: JackGTX440] #1270801 07/22/12 04:07 AM 07/22/12 04:07 AM
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DakFink mopar D Joined: Dec 2006 Posts: 506 Texas Afghanistan Iraq etc.	I just happen to own a Gen -3 Viper as well as a Turbo Small Block Dakota. First off $12,000 for ANY Twin Turbo set-up pre-fabbed is not a bad price for any vehicle. I had almost that in just parts for the twins for my Dakota and still had to have a few pieces fabbed. Was quoted $15,000 to have one built from scratch about 6 yrs ago. My Viper on the other hand makes 500hp/490trq from the factory. Idles at just over 750rpms and gets 90% of that Trq by 2200rpms and carries it all the way to redline. This is all from a 9.6:1 compression motor. The car has 3.08 gears and will do 80+mph in second gear. If you take it over 2500rpms YOU better have it pointed in the right direction and have you marbles together. IT is a Handful. Gets about 23mpg on the Highway. Mopar has an Upgrade kit they claim brings it up to the Gen-4 HP spec of 640hp BUT from people that have actually installed it and had it dyno'd it is closer to the New 2013 Viper Specs at about 680hp. All in a N/A Pump Gas engine that idles like a Kitten and drives like a beast. And I can get that kit for about $7000 vs the Mopar Price of $10000 if I join VCoA for $150/yr At the end of the day it's all about the CUI. 488 in the Gen 1&2 , 505 in the Gen-3 and 512 in the Gen-4. 2103=???? The sound is like a P's'd off 6-cylinder to about 2000rpms then it has that distinct sound that let's you know it's a SupeCar. All that said!!! Yes I see why people choose these engine to transplant. And like an R3, Hemi, or any other top performer the prices are about the same for the same level of performance AND if you know where to look you can save yourself a lot of $$$$.

Re: Why do people put v10 motors in these cars? [Re: DakFink] #1270802 07/23/12 03:55 PM 07/23/12 03:55 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 28,067 Irving, TX feets Senior Management
feets Senior Management Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 28,067 Irving, TX	$12K for a turbo kit is horrible but people will pay it. That's why my "kit" was a DIY "feets special" and came in under $3500 including the entire engine rebuild. It's all about cubic dollars vs free time. If you don't have the time to build it, buy it. If you don't have the money to buy it, build it. We are brothers and sisters doing time on the planet for better or worse. I'll take the better, if you don't mind. - Stu Harmon

Re: Why do people put v10 motors in these cars? [Re: feets] #1270803 07/23/12 04:02 PM 07/23/12 04:02 PM
Joined: May 2004 Posts: 453 Holly, MI JackGTX440 mopar
JackGTX440 mopar Joined: May 2004 Posts: 453 Holly, MI	I agree. I will probably have less than that into mine, and that includes the price o the TIG welder, higher end notcher an insulating my shop... Jack Irons Jr. '67 GTX, turbo 6.1 HEMI

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